[HANASHIR:16275] RE: just so we're clear on the matter...

[Jacqueline Guttman <jguttman...>]

Or whether or not you're from the Bronx!

Jackie

> From: Freedabet (at) aol(dot)com
> Reply-To: hanashir (at) shamash(dot)org
> Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 13:49:22 -0500
> To: eric (at) komarmusic(dot)com, hanashir (at) shamash(dot)org
> Subject: [HANASHIR:16270] RE: just so we're clear on the matter...
> 
> The 'W' sound that occurs between two vowels is a result of lazy diction.  You
> can pronounce it 'ru-ach' or 'ruwach' -- it's a matter of paying attention to
> detail.
> 
> Michael
> 
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> From: eric (at) komarmusic(dot)com
> To: hanashir (at) shamash(dot)org
> Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 3:37 AM
> Subject: [HANASHIR:16239] RE: just so we're clear on the matter...
> 
> 
> Point taken, Hazzan. The "malei" thing is the key. However, I don't know if
> I'd consider ruach and eloah instances of diphthongs either for this reason:
> Diphthongs are normally when 2 vowel sounds occur within 1 syllable. The
> double vowels rUAch and elOAh are occurring in 2 syllables - 1 vowel in each.
> (If you're referring to the "w" sound that incidentally occurs in between
> those vowels, some might argue these are instances of diphthongs.) Erik is
> right though - Israeli vowel phonetics are much purer than English.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-hanashir (at) shamash(dot)org [mailto:owner-hanashir (at) 
> shamash(dot)org]On
> Behalf Of erik contzius
> Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 6:35 AM
> To: hanashir (at) shamash(dot)org
> Subject: [HANASHIR:16238] just so we're clear on the matter...
> 
> 
> although Eric Komar's posting was "mostly" correct
> regarding transliteration, the tzeirei is technically
> NOT a dipthong. Tzeirei Malei (Tzeirei followed by a
> yud) is a dipthong, but tzeirei by itself is the long
> form of segol (the eh sound). Imagine the "ei" sound
> (as in "weigh") and before getting to the "ee" sound
> at the end of the dipthong, you stop.
> 
> 
> The only dipthongs that occur in
> Hebrew involve the malei form (vowel followed by a
> yud) or two apparent vowels together (vowel followed
> by patakh ganuv, like in "Eloah" or "Ruakh").
> 
> 
> 

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