RE: Kol Isha: Alex's view

[Yoel Epstein <yoel...>]

But, to further clarify your thinking on this point:  In the case cited last
year of the band that was engaged in Canada to perform at a Jewish Community
Center, but was cancelled after an orthodox rabbi asked the JCC to cancel
the show on the grounds of "Kol Isha": Do I understand correctly that you
think that rabbi misunderstood the halakha on this point (he should simply
not go to the performance), and that the JCC should not have cancelled
because of what it viewed as pressure from the orthodox faction?

>
> B"H Munich
>
> --- Yoel Epstein <yoel (at) netvision(dot)net(dot)il> wrote:
> > Alex, do I understand correctly from your posts that
> > you think nonorthodox
> > Jewish organizations that refuse gigs to female
> > singers are wrong?
>
> Interesting question. But honestly, I can4t figure
> out why a non-Orthodox Jewish organization would
> bother. In this case, if they4re not refusing
> the gig out of halachic reasons, what would they
> stand to gain by refusing a gig to a woman?
> If they *do* decide to refuse the
> gig, that4s an internal decision - they don4t "owe"
> women a gig, anymore than they "owe" men
> a gig.
>
>   That
> > they should allow these gigs, but perhaps warn
> > orthodox men that women will
> > be singing?
> I don4t think they need to "warn Orthodox men"
> in particular, but if there is a woman singer,
> then generally that information should be made
> public. If, for instance, I were to go to
> a Klezmatics concert, I would want to know that
> a woman would sing (and well, too, Lisa!) -
> and not be surprised. But the onus to know is on me,
> not on Lisa.
>
>   Would you even condemn, perhaps
> > strongly condemn such
> > organizations, as they deny parnassa to these women?
>
> First of all, to "deny" something in this case
> implies that "these women" have a right to
> whatever parnassa these organizations might offer.
> I see this as false - women singers don4t have a claim
> anymore than male xylophonists do, or anyone else -
> organizations hire as they see fit. And if they do
> hire, they have the right to set their own conditions,
> most likely based on the needs of their respective
> constituencies. If there was a gender discrimination
> case that could be pursued? Doubtful. The women
> can sing, and the organizations can "refuse".
> And if an organization were to hire a woman,
> and she was only permitted a female audience,
> I still don4t see a problem - it happens in
> Israel all the time.
>
> Shalom,
>
> Alex Jacobowitz
>
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