Re: Di Goldene Pave - was: information about the term feygele

Yes of course..the Margolin poem...but I also remember something from my Childhood.

It was put to music and quite old. It may have even been Sephardic in origin.

Trudi

>From: Sylvia Schildt

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>Subject: Re: Di Goldene Pave - was: information about the term feygele

>Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 15:35:28 -0500

>Di pave is a feminine noun and in manger's poem is represented as a female

>personage.

>Sylvia Schildt

>Baltimore, Maryland

>on 12/28/03 12:06 AM, lenka lichtenberg at lenkal (at) sympatico(dot)ca wrote:

>Trudi, do you mean "Di Goldene Pave" by Anna Margolin (as set to music and

>recorded by Chava Alberstein and Klezmatics)? or maybe there is another one

>still, about a male bird! (i better watch those genders and typos :)

>lenka

>lenka lichtenberg, singer-songwriter, yiddish and world music performer. for

>mp3s, audio clips and performance updates, visit www.lenkalichtenberg.com

>----- Original Message -----

>From: Trudi Goodman

>To: World music from a Jewish slant

>Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2003 4:11 PM

>Subject: Re: information about the term feygele

>The goldene pavene(the golden peacock) symbolizes prosperity. It is also a

>symbol of Jewish flight into the diaspora. The is a wonderful old poem

>called Der Goldene Pavene. I forget who wrote it....maybe Wincevsky???

>As for the term faygele. It means song bird.

>It of course is also corrupted ahemmmm in the theatre to mean a gay male.

>Usually a chorus boy.

>Trudi Goodman

> >From: linda

> >Reply-To: jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org

> >To: World music from a Jewish slant

> >Subject: Re: information about the term feygele

> >Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 18:05:50 -0700

> >

> >on 12/25/03 12:21 PM, Robert A. Rothstein at rar (at) slavic(dot)umass(dot)edu wrote:

> >

> >Batya wrote:

> >1) What is the source of the song "Zing, feygele, zing"?

> >It's a Yiddish version (apparently by Max Kletter) of the Russian song "Poi,

> >lastochka, poi" (Sing, Swallow, Sing), first published in Moscow in 1905

> >with words by K. Linskii and music by Sadovskii.

> >3) I've heard that "goldene pave" symbolizes Jewish folklore. Is this true,

> >and if so, why? What's the source?

> >Short answer (from Chane Mlotek in her _Mir trogn a gezang_, p. 106): "The

> >golden peacock became the poetic symbol of the Yiddish folk song, carrying

> >messages and greetings from loved ones. The theme was adopted by such

> >modern Yiddish writers as M. L. Halpern, Itsik Manger and others." (The

> >others include Anna Margolin, whose text was recorded, e.g., by Chava

> >Alberstein and The Klezmatics.) The comments are in connection with a folk

> >song called "Di goldene pave," which is about a young bride sending a

> >message to her parents about being mistreated by her new in-laws. The song

> >was first published in Ginzburg and Marek's 1901 collection, _Evreiskie

> >narodnye pesni v Rossii_ (Jewish Folksongs in Russia). Despite what you may

> >read on various websites, the collection was not called _Di goldene pave_.

> >

> >Bob Rothstein

> >

> >I remember my grandmother singing "Poi, lastochka, poi" in the 1940's.

> >She also sang the following words to the same melody:

> >

> >Oi vill ich a "boy"

> >Er ken zayn a griner

> >Abi a fardiner

> >Oi vill ich a "boy"

> >

> >Thanks for reminding me. I brings back great memories.

> >

> >Linda

> >

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