Re: concert attendance, etc.

[Jordan Hirsch <trombaedu...>]

Well, Jeff, one thing we can do is bring back the bagels and coffee. We can't
really call it a brunch without that. OK, I know it is out of your control, but
Tonic won't make money at the bar without the food at a brunch.


Jordan Hirsch


Jeff Perlman wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> I'm glad to see this thread on the list - I think for any of us trying to
> play this music that we love, its really important to start addressing the
> question of how to get bigger audiences.
>
> For the last several months I've been doing the bookings at Tonic with
> David Krakauer.  Basically the deal is that bands have to do their own
> promotion.   If they do, it really pays off.  If not, almost no one
> comes.  The moral is that people like this music, and they like to hear it
> played well - but, like so many other things, many just don't know about
> it. This means sending press material to the local Jewish papers as well as
> papers with club listings (Tonic gets listings in Time Out and Village
> Voice, but it can't hurt to send to them as well - maybe you'll get a
> little blurb as well as just a name in a Tonic ad)
>
> We're trying to figure out how to build up a regular audience, but it's
> really tough.  One option may be to move the weekly thing to the upper west
> side, where there are more jews...
>
> As for myself - I'm young, haven't been playing out for more than a few
> years and really see increasing opportunities for myself and the people I
> play with.  Playing the right exposure gigs (certain cafes, subways, etc.)
> really can lead to more work - but more importantly a regular gig can lead
> to a tighter band more comfortable with performing and playing
> together.  There are a number of restaurants and cafes that really like
> having acoustic earthy folk music.  They often don't pay a lot but you can
> negotiate a meal and tips and during an otherwise quiet weeknight it can be
> a great gig.  And you don't have to worry too much about bringing an
> audience because people are already coming to eat - it also gets some other
> folks who aren't necessarily into Jewish music to hear your stuff, join
> your mailing list, etc.
>
> Which brings me to the next point: finding a new audience for the
> music.  We klezmers need to look at partnering with other types of bands...
> even maybe world-influenced DJs.  Playing double bills and exposing the
> music to people who wouldn't normally be drawn to attend a jewish music
> show.  The points someone else made about the danceability of the music are
> right on target.  True, live music venues are having a hard time drawing
> crowds, but look at what's still thriving - large DJ dance parties.  People
> pay upwards of $20 to get smushed into a crowded room with lots of other
> sweaty people, buy overpriced drinks and shake their thang.  Hungarian
> House regularly draws a large crowd to Balkan dance parties.  We need to
> take this dance music off the stage and back onto the dance floor.
>
> But another regular discussion I've had with my friends is how much
> self-promotion sucks.  You spend lots of time you'd rather spend playing
> just trying to get gigs and then trying to get people to come.  And then
> there's the other problem that often artists are not the best at selling
> their own work... There are a lot of us who are not nearly successful
> enough to hire a full time person to handle all the business for us, but
> maybe if there were one person who were interested in representing a scene
> - a few klezmer bands in addition to some other world music groups - they
> would be able to make it work.  I know there are still lots of people who
> have no idea what klezmer music is, but they'll like it if they only get a
> chance to hear it (and I know this because of all the people I've turned on
> to the music... and the ones they've turned on to it... on so on... just
> because we're all so entrenched in it we tend to forget that most people -
> even jews - haven't got a clue what klezmer means.  it is certianly not yet
> a household word.)
>
> so really, i think promotion is the big missing link...
>
> people won't just show up at the door of the club, you have to compel them
> to come.
>
> if anyone has suggestions on how to do this, please share...
>
> jeff
>
> At 12:21 AM 12/15/2003 -n0500, you wrote:
> >                             JEWISH-MUSIC Digest 2815
> >
> >Topics covered in this issue include:
> >
> >   1) Re: Shrinking audiences? (was RE: Khevre is astounding)
> >         by SICULAR (at) aol(dot)com
> >   2) Re: Shrinking audiences? (was RE: Khevre is astounding)
> >         by "Dick Rosenberg" <mashke (at) comcast(dot)net>
> >   3) p.s. better audiences and sparser ones
> >         by SICULAR (at) aol(dot)com
> >   4) upstate means upstate (MA vs. Hudson Valley gigs)
> >         by SICULAR (at) aol(dot)com
> >   5) Shrinking audiences and party planners
> >         by AGREENBA (at) aol(dot)com
> >   6) Re: Ten-best and challengers
> >         by "Michel Borzykowski" <borzykowski (at) infomaniak(dot)ch>
> >   7) venue struggles & audience sizes
> >         by SICULAR (at) aol(dot)com
> >   8) Re: venue struggles & audience sizes
> >         by MaxwellSt (at) aol(dot)com
> >   9) Tuesday, downtown NYC - Klezbos/MetroKlezmer @Satalla (reminder)
> >         by SICULAR (at) aol(dot)com
> >  10) Re: venue struggles & audience sizes
> >         by Willadance (at) aol(dot)com
> >  11) On Sale! New Lori Cahan-Simon New CD
> >         by Klezcorner (at) aol(dot)com
> >  12) Re: Shrinking audiences? (was RE: Khevre is astounding)
> >         by Willadance (at) aol(dot)com
> >  13) Re: Shrinking audiences?
> >         by Willadance (at) aol(dot)com
> >  14) Re: Shrinking audiences? (was RE: Khevre is astounding)
> >         by "allen watsky" <awatsky (at) nj(dot)rr(dot)com>
> >  15) Re: Shrinking audiences? (was RE: Khevre is astounding)
> >         by "Eliezer Kaplan" <zelwel (at) comcast(dot)net>
> >  16) Re: Shrinking audiences? (was RE: Khevre is astounding)
> >         by "allen watsky" <awatsky (at) nj(dot)rr(dot)com>
> >  17) Re:trance/funk.But the modes and cadences of cantoral and klez.
> >         by Klezcorner (at) aol(dot)com
> >  18) Re: On Sale! New Lori Cahan-Simon New CD
> >         by Buby8 (at) aol(dot)com
> >  19) Re: On Sale! New Lori Cahan-Simon New CD
> >         by "r l reid" <ro (at) panix(dot)com>
> >  20) dec. 21 Tonic: FleytMuzik
> >         by AGREENBA (at) aol(dot)com
> >
> >----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >From: SICULAR (at) aol(dot)com
> >Message-ID: <1e7(dot)1588ed7c(dot)2d0d4f55 (at) aol(dot)com>
> >Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 00:29:57 EST
> >Subject: Re: Shrinking audiences? (was RE: Khevre is astounding)
> >To: World music from a Jewish slant <jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org>
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> >we had an exceptionally good house tonight at Merkin Hall in NYC, around 350
> >I think (Isle of Klezbos with Stonewall Chorale).  tickets were not cheap
> >either; it was a special/holiday event though. and some of our other shows
> >this
> >year have been strong.  but it really takes the right combination of factors.
> >
> >upstate shows can still be good if the price is right and the promotion
> >effective, but if not -- look out!  going out in Manhattan and Brooklyn,
> >I've seen
> >some excellent turnouts at various friends' shows all year; good word of
> >mouth
> >is essential... as well as reviews, if it's a long-playing show or theater.
> >there are still clubs and shows doing well, but obviously some producers and
> >clubs are having a horrible time too.
> >
> >and going nearly off-topic (musical theater), sure Broadway is having a rough
> >season overall, but look at Avenue Q; it's in the right place at the right
> >time, and successfully moved uptown from off-Bway.
> >
> >Eve
> >=================
> >- e v e  s i c u l a r  -
> >drummer/bandleader
> >ISLE OF KLEZBOS &
> >METROPOLITAN KLEZMER
> >151 First Ave #145, NYC 10003
> >tel:  212.475.4544
> >fax:  212.677.6304
> >www.metropolitanklezmer.com
> >
> >
> >------------------------------
> >Message-ID: <012101c3c205$86c183c0$0202a8c0 (at) VAIO>
> >From: "Dick Rosenberg" <mashke (at) comcast(dot)net>
> >To: World music from a Jewish slant <jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org>
> >Subject: Re: Shrinking audiences? (was RE: Khevre is astounding)
> >Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 00:45:44 -0500
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> >Ahem, ahem, Boston is not "upstate" :-)
> >
> >Dick
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: <SICULAR (at) aol(dot)com>
> >To: "World music from a Jewish slant" <jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org>
> >Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 12:29 AM
> >Subject: Re: Shrinking audiences? (was RE: Khevre is astounding)
> >
> >
> > > we had an exceptionally good house tonight at Merkin Hall in NYC, around
> >350
> > > I think (Isle of Klezbos with Stonewall Chorale).  tickets were not cheap
> > > either; it was a special/holiday event though. and some of our other shows
> >this
> > > year have been strong.  but it really takes the right combination of
> >factors.
> > >
> > > upstate shows can still be good if the price is right and the promotion
> > > effective, but if not -- look out!  going out in Manhattan and Brooklyn,
> >I've seen
> > > some excellent turnouts at various friends' shows all year; good word of
> >mouth
> > > is essential... as well as reviews, if it's a long-playing show or
> >theater.
> > > there are still clubs and shows doing well, but obviously some producers
> >and
> > > clubs are having a horrible time too.
> > >
> > > and going nearly off-topic (musical theater), sure Broadway is having a
> >rough
> > > season overall, but look at Avenue Q; it's in the right place at the right
> > > time, and successfully moved uptown from off-Bway.
> > >
> > > Eve
> > > =================
> > > - e v e  s i c u l a r  -
> > > drummer/bandleader
> > > ISLE OF KLEZBOS &
> > > METROPOLITAN KLEZMER
> > > 151 First Ave #145, NYC 10003
> > > tel:  212.475.4544
> > > fax:  212.677.6304
> > > www.metropolitanklezmer.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >------------------------------
> >From: SICULAR (at) aol(dot)com
> >Message-ID: <15a(dot)29a91457(dot)2d0d55ec (at) aol(dot)com>
> >Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 00:58:04 EST
> >Subject: p.s. better audiences and sparser ones
> >To: World music from a Jewish slant <jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org>
> >MIME-Version: 1.0
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> >
> >some of the good turnouts I've seen in the last few months:
> >Rachelle Garniez on a double bill with her mom at Weill Hall [sold out]
> >Balkan dance music at Barbes & Hungarian House
> >Django Rheinhard [sp?] & Lionel Belasco revival projects
> >lesbian & gay duo singer/songwriters with some campy covers
> >Bill Frisell at Zankel Hall
> >classical chamber music at BargeMusic in Brooklyn [nearly sold-out, many
> >series subscribers]
> >
> >poor turnouts I've seen:
> >many Tonic brunches
> >Metro's B'nai B'rith-sponsored concert with no senior or child discounts
> >
> >so-so turnout:
> >Kate & Anna McGarrigle with various family members in tow (incl Rufus &
> >Martha Wainwright) at The Bottom Line, where they usually play when in NYC
> >Satalla KlezSka show
> >=================
> >- e v e  s i c u l a r  -
> >drummer/bandleader
> >ISLE OF KLEZBOS &
> >METROPOLITAN KLEZMER
> >151 First Ave #145, NYC 10003
> >tel:  212.475.4544
> >fax:  212.677.6304
> >www.metropolitanklezmer.com
> >
> >
> >------------------------------
> >From: SICULAR (at) aol(dot)com
> >Message-ID: <87(dot)147ec32(dot)2d0d58a3 (at) aol(dot)com>
> >Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 01:09:39 EST
> >Subject: upstate means upstate (MA vs. Hudson Valley gigs)
> >To: World music from a Jewish slant <jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org>
> >MIME-Version: 1.0
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> >hi Dick,
> >
> >I'm not talking about Boston (though as Dick may recall we had a fairly light
> >turnout in Cambridge once, on a July weeknight in 2000 I think). Seth was
> >asking about shows generally post-Sept 11th, no?  Upstate NY... as in
> >Kingston
> >last month! not a terrible turnout, but not great: the producer missed
> >getting
> >calendar items in some of the basic local listings & synagogues and also
> >priced
> >out some of the market.  On the other hand, in summer 2002 at Caffe Lena, in
> >Saratoga with well-organized promotion, we had a packed house on a Tuesday
> >night in Saratoga when the club's not even usually open -- and it wasn't
> >during
> >racing season either.
> >
> >We've also had very nice turnouts at the Rosendale Cafe, very near Kingston,
> >but in a much  "better neighborhood"... and people know they can get a good,
> >reasonably priced meal there too.  these are all medium-sized venues, with
> >stages mainly just about big enough for Isle of Klezbos, but too small for
> >the
> >full eight-piece Metro Klezmer to fit.
> >=================ES
> >- e v e  s i c u l a r  -
> >drummer/bandleader
> >ISLE OF KLEZBOS &
> >METROPOLITAN KLEZMER
> >151 First Ave #145, NYC 10003
> >tel:  212.475.4544
> >fax:  212.677.6304
> >www.metropolitanklezmer.com
> >
> >
> >------------------------------
> >From: AGREENBA (at) aol(dot)com
> >Message-ID: <43(dot)25b2e02b(dot)2d0d6112 (at) aol(dot)com>
> >Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 01:45:38 EST
> >Subject: Shrinking audiences and party planners
> >To: World music from a Jewish slant <jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org>
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> >Wow, your stories are wild with the PPs!! My only screw up with placement of
> >the band was when we were told to do the cocktail hour on the 2nd floor of
> >the
> >catering place and the full reception on the 3rd floor. We set up two sound
> >systems only to be told that she had it wrong - and then, of course, we
> >had to
> >set up in about a 1/2 hour in reverse. The client had actually told me
> >correctly but the planner said otherwise.
> >I have another recent one:
> >A last outdoor/tent situation until the cold weather his for the year, the
> >P.P. asked if the clients could use our mikes to make speeches. Of course, I
> >always say. So, after an hour I said we were taking a break and the mike was
> >there's and walked away after handing the mike to the first speaker. Then
> >the PP
> >came over and said "Oh dear, why are you walking away? You need to stand here
> >in case the microphone doesn't work right.   I said "Uh, gosh, I think YOU
> >can
> >stand here if you're so worried that i couldn't run over here in time to save
> >the day! Okay? I'm on a break!"
> >
> >You're right, Lori, I really had no clue what was in store for us artists
> >when this new career of Party Planner came along. And, by the way, when you
> >mentioned that many groups are too afraid, in a sense, to say things are
> >not the
> >same, fewer concerts, poorly attended, you are SO right. It takes courage
> >to be
> >honest about that end of the business.
> >
> >adrianne
> >
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> >Wow, your stories are wild with the PPs!! My=20= only screw up with
> >placement of the band was when we were told to do the coc= ktail hour on
> >the 2nd floor of the catering place and the full reception on=20= the 3rd
> >floor. We set up two sound systems only to be told that she had it w= rong
> >- and then, of course, we had to set up in about a 1/2 hour in reverse.=
> >The client had actually told me correctly but the planner said otherwise.
> ><= BR> I have another recent one:
> >A last outdoor/tent situation until the cold weather his for the year, the
> >P= ..P. asked if the clients could use our mikes to make speeches. Of
> >course, I=20= always say. So, after an hour I said we were taking a break
> >and the mike was= there's and walked away after handing the mike to the
> >first speaker. Then t= he PP came over and said "Oh dear, why are you
> >walking away? You need to sta= nd here in case the microphone doesn't work
> >right.  I said "Uh, gosh,=20= I think YOU can stand here if you're so
> >worried that i couldn't run over her= e in time to save the day! Okay? I'm
> >on a break!"
> >
> >You're right, Lori, I really had no clue what was in store for us artists
> >wh= en this new career of Party Planner came along. And, by the way, when
> >you me= ntioned that many groups are too afraid, in a sense, to say things
> >are not t= he same, fewer concerts, poorly attended, you are SO right. It
> >takes courage= to be honest about that end of the business.
> >
> >adrianne
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> >
> >
> >------------------------------
> >Message-ID: <00ea01c3c23a$eb7c7600$28fd17d4 (at) test>
> >From: "Michel Borzykowski" <borzykowski (at) infomaniak(dot)ch>
> >To: World music from a Jewish slant <jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org>
> >Subject: Re: Ten-best and challengers
> >Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 13:01:50 +0100
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> >Thanks for the mention, George!=20
> >And for those who would like to buy the CS "Psalms" edited by the 'Amis =
> >de la Musique Juive', here is the way:
> >
> >http://www.club-association.ch/amj/WCD001annonce.html=20
> >
> >E-Mail: amj (at) club-association(dot)ch
> >
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> >
> >Michal
> >
> >----- Original Message -----=20
> >From: George Robinson=20
> >To: World music from a Jewish slant=20
> >Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 8:53 AM
> >Subject: Ten-best lists
> >
> >And very honorable mention:
> >Conservatoire de Musique de Geneve: "Les Psaumes" (Les Amis de Musique =
> >Juive).
> >
> >George ... Robinson
> >
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> >Thanks for the mention, George! =
> >And for those who would like to buy the = CS "Psalms"=20 edited by the
> >'Amis de la Musique Juive', here is the way:
> >
> ><3d.htm>http://www= ..club-association.ch/amj/WCD001annonce.html=20
> >
> >E-Mail: <3d.htm>amj (at) club-association(dot)ch
> >
> >Phone: +41 76 522 01 51
> >
> >20 Euros or 20 US$=20 (postage included)
> >
> >Michal
> >----- Original Message -----=20
> >From: <3d.htm>George=20 Robinson
> >To: <3d.htm>World music from a Jewish = slant=20
> >Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 8:53 AM
> >Subject: Ten-best lists
> >
> >And very honorable=20 mention:
> >Conservatoire de Musique de Geneve: "Les Psaumes" (Les Amis = de=20
> >Musique Juive).
> >
> >George ... Robinson
> >
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> >From: SICULAR (at) aol(dot)com
> >Message-ID: <18d(dot)235ffdd3(dot)2d0dda31 (at) aol(dot)com>
> >Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 10:22:25 EST
> >Subject: venue struggles & audience sizes
> >To: World music from a Jewish slant <jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org>
> >MIME-Version: 1.0
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> >
> >first of all ~ hoping the latest news augurs well for peace.
> >
> >I think there are different, very particular issues and circumstances as far
> >as club and concert attendance.  it's interesting to me to compare how
> >Tonic's
> >non-klezmer brunch shows (six nights a week) are doing. the club has built a
> >devoted listenership and reputation for great, innovative programming. they,
> >like Barbes, do retro movie nights on Mondays to keep momentum without simply
> >booking live music for the sake of it every evening, or going dark. Tonic,
> >like
> >Barbes, has built actual community support starting from their very
> >artistically-involved, levelheaded and devoted owners. and some klezmer
> >brunches do
> >well. but it's hard for out-of-town klezmer artists on a one-shot deal at
> >Tonic
> >to get the houses they'd like when it's not KlezCamp aftermath or some other
> >auspicious date... occasionally the grapevine kicks in for particular
> >visiting
> >bands. still, it's a way to play NYC if you wouldn't otherwise have a booking
> >with an honest, well-run venue (they even have a way-better house drumset and
> >full back-line amps these days) that has its own built-in basic p.r.  I think
> >the club pulls back on their support though when they see diminishing
> >returns;
> >for instance they used to have more of an actual brunch menu to go along with
> >the Lower East Side locale.
> >
> >one wonderful gig which we got right after September 11, 2001, which lasted
> >that year and one more but disappeared this year, was very successful for us,
> >but was part of a holiday programming bill that had to survive as all or
> >nothing unfortunately.  Metropolitan Klezmer played Caramoor Center in
> >Northern
> >Westchester, the full eight-piece band, two matinees on a Sunday in
> >December...
> >both shows both years either sold out the room completely (2pm) or within a
> >dozen seats or so (4pm).  It was the first time they'd booked klezmer in
> >there,
> >and they were very happy with us financially and artistically. but still the
> >promo and all had to cover an entire series which didn't do well enough,
> >so no
> >three-peat this year. it could come back, I hope it will. it's a prestige
> >venue
> >and they have relatively high overhead for production and p.r., an excellent
> >room with good press placement.  and this turnout coincided with an annual
> >KCB
> >Hanuka billing I believe at SUNY Purchase College not far down the road.
> >
> >Again though, this was a special Hanuka featured show. during the rest of the
> >year, things can be very hit & miss for ticket sales, esp. on weeknights.
> >And we can't play out publically on weekends unless it pays enough, since
> >that's
> >when our musicians are likely to get real income gigs for private events,
> >whether with klezmer or something else.  so committing to any prime date far
> >enough ahead for programming and publicity purposes involves the presenter
> >being
> >willing to make enough of a commitment.  being a producer/club owner or
> >manager
> >involves a tremendous amount of risk, aggravation and sometimes gratification
> >and profit.  I've heard that the (Western MA) Iron Horse will not even
> >consider klezmer shows the last few years after disappointing attendance
> >even for
> >the Matix and NOKA.  and that was before 2001.
> >
> >sometimes a show can succeed for the band but not the club -- don't get me
> >wrong, we could all die of exposure, but some showcasing is worth it -- and
> >sometimes the club does well on a basis that couldn't sustain the band
> >(like when
> >we had a fabulously attended release event in trendy Williamsburg on a
> >"klezmer night" which we could never afford to play again, since the
> >guarantee amount
> >would only have worked for a small combo... that Galapagos klezmer slot
> >disappeared before long, but our night they were surprised to have to pay
> >us an
> >extra pittance, since 10% of the bar sales actually did exceed their
> >guarantee).
> >
> >Finally, my experience with klezmer club shows teaches me one thing for sure:
> >if there's a minimum table charge, best to allow the patron to cover that by
> >ordering either food or drink rather than just drink... and that can be good
> >for customer satisfaction, but the profit margin in these places is always
> >highest on the drinks, whether alcoholic or not.  other than that, I don't
> >know
> >what a careful study of this subject really shows!
> >
> >If the Bottom Line does close, I wonder where some of their regular acts will
> >now play? and how will those venues do better at staying in business and
> >creating a comfortable and professionally-run atmosphere?
> >
> >Another venue issue, more for festival/non-profit/JCC type places, is when
> >subsidies decline. That doesn't affect your average club, but does affect
> >klezmer touring. Less to do with simple attendance numbers than with
> >government
> >allocations/policy and foundation/stock market doings. not that those shows
> >wouldn't have to be profitable overall, but those producers can afford
> >certain
> >booking risks which purely commercial places can't.  These places are
> >hurting now,
> >not just the for-profit venues. And often the club appearances would have to
> >work as "routing" stops which fill in the dates between these more
> >financially-cushioned dates. Sometimes the merchandise sales make the
> >difference in
> >whether artists' costs are covered.
> >=================Eve
> >- e v e  s i c u l a r  -
> >drummer/bandleader
> >ISLE OF KLEZBOS &
> >METROPOLITAN KLEZMER
> >151 First Ave #145, NYC 10003
> >tel:  212.475.4544
> >fax:  212.677.6304
> >www.metropolitanklezmer.com
> >
> >
> >------------------------------
> >From: MaxwellSt (at) aol(dot)com
> >Message-ID: <50(dot)26063f09(dot)2d0dfbfc (at) aol(dot)com>
> >Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 12:46:36 EST
> >Subject: Re: venue struggles & audience sizes
> >To: World music from a Jewish slant <jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org>
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> >In a message dated 12/14/2003 9:23:31 AM Central Standard Time,
> >SICULAR (at) aol(dot)com writes:
> >Another venue issue, more for festival/non-profit/JCC type places, is when
> >subsidies decline. That doesn't affect your average club, but does affect
> >klezmer touring. Less to do with simple attendance numbers than with
> >government
> >allocations/policy and foundation/stock market doings. not that those shows
> >wouldn't have to be profitable overall, but those producers can afford
> >certain
> >booking risks which purely commercial places can't.
> >Great point, Eve. You remind me of what has been happening to the Jewish
> >community even before 9/11, really since the 2nd Intifada: monies have
> >dried up
> >for all but a few programs that used to be sponsored by the Jewish
> >community.  I
> >am not condemning that point--
> >G-d knows that Israel needs the money, and lots of support also dried up
> >because of the stock market crash.
> >
> >Anyway, case in point: For a decade, every other year, a local prominent JCC
> >co-sponsored with my band's not for profit arm a Midwest Klezmer and Yiddish
> >Music Institute.  It drew as many as 800 participants but never quite broke
> >even (although they said it brought them great kudos and kovod).  In 1999,
> >they
> >told me that the new word coming down to the JCCs was: if it's not
> >profitable,
> >drop it.  So they did (along with a lot of other really fine programs, mostly
> >for seniors).
> >
> >Fortunately, Northwestern University is expressing interest in picking up the
> >Institute, and I have been teaching ongoing individual classes from it at a
> >local college that draws a nice classroom full of retirees.  So maybe
> >educational institutions can can pick up the ball where the Jewish
> >community dropped
> >it....
> >Lori
> >
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> >In a message dated 12/14/2003 9:23:31 AM Central Standard Time, SICULAR=
> >@aol.com writes:
> >>subsidies decline. That doesn't affect your= average club, but does affect
> >>klezmer touring. Less to do with simple a= ttendance numbers than with
> >>government
> >>allocations/policy and foundation= /stock market doings. not that those
> >>shows
> >>wouldn't have to be profitabl= e overall, but those producers can afford
> >>certain
> >>booking risks which pu= rely commercial places can't.
> >Great point, Eve. You remind me of what has been happening to the=20=
> >Jewish community even before 9/11, really since the 2nd Intifada: monies
> >hav= e dried up for all but a few programs that used to be sponsored by
> >the Jewis= h community.  I am not condemning that point--
> >G-d knows that Israel needs the money, and lots of support also dried u= p
> >because of the stock market crash.
> >
> >Anyway, case in point: For a decade, every other year, a local prominen= t
> >JCC co-sponsored with my band's not for profit arm a Midwest Klezmer and
> >Y= iddish Music Institute.  It drew as many as 800 participants but
> >never=20= quite broke even (although they said it brought them great kudos
> >and kovod).=   In 1999, they told me that the new word coming down to the
> >JCCs was:=20= if it's not profitable, drop it.  So they did (along with a
> >lot of othe= r really fine programs, mostly for seniors).
> >
> >Fortunately, Northwester= n University is expressing interest in picking
> >up the Institute, and I have=20= been teaching ongoing individual classes
> >from it at a local college tha= t draws a nice classroom full of
> >retirees.  So maybe educational i= nstitutions can can pick up the ball
> >where the Jewish community dropped it..= ...
> >Lori
> >
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> >
> >------------------------------
> >From: SICULAR (at) aol(dot)com
> >Message-ID: <1c3(dot)12ee95e6(dot)2d0e13f0 (at) aol(dot)com>
> >Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 14:28:48 EST
> >Subject: Tuesday, downtown NYC - Klezbos/MetroKlezmer @Satalla (reminder)
> >MIME-Version: 1.0
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> >To: World music from a Jewish slant <jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org>
> >
> >Flatiron/Chelsea NYC klezmer at Satalla, gentle reminder...
> >this Tuesday, December 16
> >Metropolitan Klezmer 7:30pm (eight-piece)
> >Isle of Klezbos 9:30pm (sextet)
> >last full-band Manhattan shows this year ~ come celebrate
> >
> >37 W 26th St, just east of Sixth Avenue
> >Full menu, all ages, blacklight ambience
> >212.576.1155   www.satalla.com
> >$15; $10 for kids under 13
> >N, R, F, 6 trains; street parking too!
> >
> >bands: www.metropolitanklezmer.com
> >CDs at www.cdbaby.com, in stores & all over ~ Happy Hanuka!
> >
> >on Greetings from the Isle of Klezbos:
> >"...remarkably good. 'Goldene Khasene,' for example, trades off clarinet and
> >trumpet leads backed by some excellent accordion for a strong take on a
> >wedding tune. The wittily titled 'Klezmerengue' nimbly fuses ... so
> >seamlessly that
> >the join never flows -- a tribute to the musicianship on offer... This is
> >excellent stuff, as good as any klezmer album around today."  - Chris
> >Nickson, All
> >Music Guide  www.allmusic.com
> >
> >on Metropolitan Klezmer's latest disc, Surprising Finds:
> >"Talk about a surprising find!... the absolute best in klezmer style. Whoever
> >listens to Metropolitan Klezmer opens the encyclopedia of klezmer. It's a
> >history lesson. Every song has the right liner notes... Musically everything
> >fits. All styles get their turn, from pieces of Yiddish musicals, from jazzy
> >swing, pure Balkan, tango, and waltzes to a few very strong wedding
> >dances. Some of
> >the songs are presented live, others are medleys that fit together seamlessly
> >and four short pieces are live recordings of Deborah Karpel's grandfather,
> >taped in the mid-Sixties... A mandatory buy for the true lover of klezmer, to
> >whom I also recommend visiting their website."
> >                 - RootsTown [Belgium], translated from Flemish
> >=================
> >www.metropolitanklezmer.com
> >ISLE OF KLEZBOS &
> >METROPOLITAN KLEZMER
> >151 First Ave #145, NYC 10003
> >tel:  212.475.4544
> >fax:  212.677.6304
> >email: info (at) metropolitanklezmer(dot)com
> >
> >
> >------------------------------
> >From: Willadance (at) aol(dot)com
> >Message-ID: <166(dot)29987af6(dot)2d0e3a9a (at) aol(dot)com>
> >Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 17:13:46 EST
> >Subject: Re: venue struggles & audience sizes
> >To: World music from a Jewish slant <jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org>
> >MIME-Version: 1.0
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> >In a message dated 12/14/03 12:47:15 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> >MaxwellSt (at) aol(dot)com writes:
> >
> > > Anyway, case in point: For a decade, every other year, a local prominent
> > > JCC co-sponsored with my band's not for profit arm a Midwest Klezmer and
> > > Yiddish Music Institute.  It drew as many as 800 participants but never
> > quite broke
> > > even (although they said it brought them great kudos and kovod).
> >
> >In 1999, they told me that the new word coming down to the JCCs was: if it's
> >not
> > > profitable, drop it.  So they did (along with a lot of other really fine
> > > programs, mostly for seniors).
> >Many JCC's are putting huge amounts of money into their health and fitness
> >activities to the detriment of Jewish Arts and Culture and other needed and
> >worthwhile programs.  The belief is that they can compete with the large
> >fitness
> >chains.  They hire staff for there fitness programs at salary levels that are
> >thousands of $ higher than what they were paying Jewish progamming staff.
> >They
> >let their arts and culture and programming staff go and then form volunteer
> >committees to organize the type of programming that should be offered at a
> >JCC.
> >But sometimes even when there were staffed arts and culture programs the
> >offerings in terms of concerts, performances, classes and workshops has
> >always
> >been sparse.
> >
> >I just personally lived through this experience.
> >
> >Willa
> >
> >
> >Willa C Horowitz
> >Leader and Teacher of Israeli, Klezmer and International Folk Dance
> >
> >130 Mt. Sanford Road
> >Hamden, CT 06518
> >(203) 248-0291
> >
> >willadance (at) aol(dot)com
> >
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> >In a message dated 12/14/03 12:47:1= 5 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> >MaxwellSt (at) aol(dot)com writes:
> >
> >
> >In 1999, they told me that the new word coming down to the JCCs was: if
> >it'= s not
> >profitable, drop it.  So=20= they did (along with a lot of other really
> >fine programs, mostly for seniors= ).
> >
> >
> >Many JCC's are putting huge amounts of money into their health and fitness
> >a= ctivities to the detriment of Jewish Arts and Culture and other needed
> >and w= orthwhile programs.  The belief is that they can compete with the
> >large= fitness chains.  They hire staff for there fitness programs at
> >salary=20= levels that are thousands of $ higher than what they were
> >paying Jewish prog= amming staff. They let their arts and culture and
> >programming staff go and t= hen form volunteer committees to organize the
> >type of programming that shoul= d be offered at a JCC.  But sometimes even
> >when there were staffed arts= and culture programs the offerings in terms
> >of concerts, performances, clas= ses and workshops has always been sparse.
> >
> >I just personally lived through this experience.
> >
> >Willa
> >
> >
> >Willa C Horowitz
> >Leader and Teacher of Israeli, Klezmer and International Folk Dance
> >
> >130 Mt. Sanford Road
> >Hamden, CT 06518
> >(203) 248-0291
> >
> >willadance (at) aol(dot)com
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> >
> >
> >------------------------------
> >From: Klezcorner (at) aol(dot)com
> >Message-ID: <124(dot)28ed0914(dot)2d0e3afd (at) aol(dot)com>
> >Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 17:15:25 EST
> >Subject: On Sale! New Lori Cahan-Simon New CD
> >To: World music from a Jewish slant <jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org>
> >MIME-Version: 1.0
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> >
> >As you all know, Lori has releases a new Yiddish CD, "Vessel of Song - The
> >Music of Mikhl Gelbart". Unfortunately, we just NOW received it.
> >
> >This is one of the BEST CDs I have ever heard.
> >The music is great, vocals are wonderful and the musician are first class.
> >If you are a real fan of Jewish music, and especially if Yiddish is your
> >thing,
> >then this CD is a MUST. Included in the 15 selections are 2 lovely Yiddish
> >Chanukah songs.
> >
> >There's still time to order this CD for Chanukah, so we are offering it at
> >the special price of $13.98, Domestic Shipping included for all Visa &
> >Mastercard orders through December.
> >
> >Because I feel this is such a great recording, we are offering our "Excluisve
> >Hatikvah Music Guarantee" (patent pending) when you purchase this recording.
> >Basically, the guarantee states that "IF you do not like this recording, we
> >GUARANTEE that we will NEVER sell you anything else"
> >We accept Visa & Mastercard.
> >Simon
> >Hatikvah Music
> >323) 655-7083
> >
> >
> >------------------------------
> >From: Willadance (at) aol(dot)com
> >Message-ID: <53(dot)153baa1(dot)2d0e3e6f (at) aol(dot)com>
> >Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 17:30:07 EST
> >Subject: Re: Shrinking audiences? (was RE: Khevre is astounding)
> >To: World music from a Jewish slant <jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org>
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> >In a message dated 12/13/03 5:51:49 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> >seth(dot)rogovoy (at) verizon(dot)net writes:
> >
> > > Have the professional performing musicians on this list noticed a definite
> > > drop at the box office since last spring?
> > >
> >
> >As a coffeehouse organizer I can tell you that last season we lost money.  We
> >had small audiences for our first 3 concerts (The Zydecats, Rick Fielding and
> >Eileen McGann, each less than 40 attending.)  We made a small amount on two
> >concerts and broke even on 4.  I think it may have had something to do with
> >9/11 and the current political situation.  Some of the performers felt it
> >necessary to comment on current events as I understand they might do at
> >other venues
> >as well.  Performers have confided to me that they have received negative
> >feedback from audience members regarding their political commentary from the
> >stage.  Perhaps this is offending some audience members and they are not
> >coming out
> >for live music as much as they used to.
> >
> >Willa
> >
> >Willa C Horowitz
> >Leader and Teacher of Israeli, Klezmer and International Folk Dance
> >
> >130 Mt. Sanford Road
> >Hamden, CT 06518
> >(203) 248-0291
> >
> >willadance (at) aol(dot)com
> >
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> >
> >In a message dated 12/13/03 5:51:49= PM Eastern Standard Time,
> >seth(dot)rogovoy (at) verizon(dot)net writes:
> >drop at the box office since last spring?
> >
> >
> >As a coffeehouse organizer I can tell you that last season we lost money.&nb=
> >sp; We had small audiences for our first 3 concerts (The Zydecats, Rick
> >Fiel= ding and Eileen McGann, each less than 40 attending.)  We made a
> >small=20= amount on two concerts and broke even on 4.  I think it may have
> >had so= mething to do with 9/11 and the current political situation.  Some
> >of t= he performers felt it necessary to comment on current events as I
> >understand= they might do at other venues as well.  Performers have
> >confided to me= that they have received negative feedback from audience
> >members regarding t= heir political commentary from the stage.  Perhaps
> >this is offending so= me audience members and they are not coming out for
> >live music as much as th= ey used to.
> >
> >Willa
> >
> >Willa C Horowitz
> >Leader and Teacher of Israeli, Klezmer and International Folk Dance
> >
> >130 Mt. Sanford Road
> >Hamden, CT 06518
> >(203) 248-0291
> >
> >willadance (at) aol(dot)com
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> >
> >
> >------------------------------
> >From: Willadance (at) aol(dot)com
> >Message-ID: <53(dot)153bab5(dot)2d0e41af (at) aol(dot)com>
> >Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 17:43:59 EST
> >Subject: Re: Shrinking audiences?
> >To: World music from a Jewish slant <jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org>
> >MIME-Version: 1.0
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> >In a message dated 12/13/03 6:36:42 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> >AGREENBA (at) aol(dot)com writes:
> >
> > > Ah yes, but do bands offer the same freebies as the DJ's???? Last week, no
> > > kidding, the DJ placed a pair of earplugs for each person at their
> > place at
> > > the table. Now THAT's service - with a grimace.....
> >
> >It's tacky and accomplishes nothing.  If they are concerned with hearing
> >conservation, they would strictly adhere to standardized indoor noise levels.
> >
> > > We were "sharing" the dance-floor with the DJ and all I can say is that we
> > > couldn't wait to be done with our portion so we could pack up and get out
> > > before TOO much damage to our ears was done.
> > > Oh, and the really nice part was when the party planner (did I mention
> > I luv
> > > party planners??) told the DJ to push up his music so as to blend into the
> > > end of our hora set
> >
> >This party planner was putting everyones hearing at risk.
> >So how many DJ's are there?  In the not too distant future they can make some
> >audiologist some real good money.  X number of DJ's x 2 ears each x $6000 per
> >pair of digital hearing aids =?
> >
> >
> >
> >Willa C Horowitz, MA, CCC-A (Certified and CT Licensed Audiologist)
> >Leader and Teacher of Israeli, Klezmer and International Folk Dance
> >
> >130 Mt. Sanford Road
> >Hamden, CT 06518
> >(203) 248-0291
> >
> >willadance (at) aol(dot)com
> >
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> >
> >In a message dated 12/13/03 6:36:42 PM Eastern Standar= d Time,
> >AGREENBA (at) aol(dot)com writes:
> >
> >
> >It's tacky and accomplishes=20= nothing.  If they are concerned with
> >hearing conservation, they would s= trictly adhere to standardized indoor
> >noise levels.
> >
> >Oh, and the really nice part was when the party planner (did I mention I
> >luv= party planners??) told the DJ to push up his music so as to blend
> >into the=20= end of our hora set
> >
> >
> >
> >This party planner was putting everyones hearing at risk.
> >So how many DJ's are there?  In the not too distant future they can mak= e
> >some audiologist some real good money.  X number of DJ's x 2 ears eac= h x
> >$6000 per pair of digital hearing aids =3D?
> >
> >
> >
> >Willa C Horowitz, MA, C= CC-A (Certified and CT Licensed Audiologist)
> >130 Mt. Sanford Road
> >Hamden, CT 06518
> >(203) 248-0291
> >
> >willadance (at) aol(dot)com
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> >
> >
> >------------------------------
> >Message-ID: <007001c3c299$bb07eef0$d472c118 (at) DFRPFC11>
> >From: "allen watsky" <awatsky (at) nj(dot)rr(dot)com>
> >To: World music from a Jewish slant <jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org>
> >Subject: Re: Shrinking audiences? (was RE: Khevre is astounding)
> >Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 18:26:41 -0500
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> >
> >With the weather being what it is today in the region, the only folks
> >hearing Khevre will be those who traveled down to play and some hearty souls
> >who live on the Island of Manhattan. Another nor'easter, feh.
> >    Re: the shrinking audience thread, its actually been picking up a bit
> >lately. Still, I see the future of JM looking toward the dance floor if it
> >wants to be relevant in the market place, deep groove , trance/funk.But with
> >the modes and cadences of cantoral and klez. So for that reason larger, not
> >smaller venues are needed or at least medium size, so as to accommodate
> >dancing, limited seating. Say a Roseland sized venue. Very expensive to
> >produce as a one off. Really we're all more likely to mine the party circuit
> >more profitably, its an economy of means sort of equation.
> >    Current events have definitely made a dent in the bizz this last two
> >years. AW
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Seth Rogovoy" <seth(dot)rogovoy (at) verizon(dot)net>
> >To: "World music from a Jewish slant" <jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org>
> >Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 5:51 PM
> >Subject: Shrinking audiences? (was RE: Khevre is astounding)
> >
> >
> >I wonder if what has been noted below isn't partly due to an overall trend
> >affecting live music in theaters and clubs across the land -- and that is
> >that in the last few years, certainly since 9/11 but especially since the
> >beginning of Operation Iraqi Liberation, box office has been down across the
> >board.
> >
> >That certainly has been the case in my little corner of the world (western
> >Massachusetts/Berkshires), where bands, including some of the ones mentioned
> >below, that used to be guaranteed sellouts, are lucky to attract a few dozen
> >people. Even Michelle Shocked is playing a rare solo gig at a local
> >nightclub that seats 100 tomorrow night, and as far as I know that show has
> >yet to sell out.
> >
> >Have the professional performing musicians on this list noticed a definite
> >drop at the box office since last spring?
> >
> >--Seth Rogovoy
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org
> > > [mailto:owner-jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org] On Behalf Of Jordan 
> > > Hirsch
> > > Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 5:38 PM
> > > To: World music from a Jewish slant
> > > Subject: Re: Khevre is astounding
> > >
> > >
> > >    I have been feeling this way a little about the shows at
> > > Tonic as well. In some ways, I wonder if making the music too
> > > accesible means people take it for granted?
> > >
> > >
> > > JH
> > >
> > > Ari Davidow wrote:
> > >
> > > > >The only down side was the sparse turnout. This is the
> > > second concert
> > > > >I've seen in the last month at the Regent Theater in
> > > Arlington (MA),
> > > > >the first being Pharaoh's Daughter.
> > > >
> > > > I do feel that this band is perfect for Johnny D's or
> > > Passim, but even
> > > > so, when there is room for a big turnout, let's all turn out!
> >
> >
> >
> >------------------------------
> >Message-ID: <004101c3c29e$c286a090$5653fea9 (at) OtherLaptop>
> >From: "Eliezer Kaplan" <zelwel (at) comcast(dot)net>
> >To: World music from a Jewish slant <jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org>
> >Subject: Re: Shrinking audiences? (was RE: Khevre is astounding)
> >Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 18:02:41 -0600
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> > >Still, I see the future of JM looking toward the dance floor if it
> > > wants to be relevant in the market place, deep groove , trance/funk.But
> >with
> > > the modes and cadences of cantoral and klez.
> >
> >You think there exists at this point good examples of this?
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "allen watsky" <awatsky (at) nj(dot)rr(dot)com>
> >To: "World music from a Jewish slant" <jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org>
> >Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 5:26 PM
> >Subject: Re: Shrinking audiences? (was RE: Khevre is astounding)
> >
> >
> > > With the weather being what it is today in the region, the only folks
> > > hearing Khevre will be those who traveled down to play and some hearty
> >souls
> > > who live on the Island of Manhattan. Another nor'easter, feh.
> > >    Re: the shrinking audience thread, its actually been picking up a bit
> > > lately. Still, I see the future of JM looking toward the dance floor if it
> > > wants to be relevant in the market place, deep groove , trance/funk.But
> >with
> > > the modes and cadences of cantoral and klez. So for that reason larger,
> >not
> > > smaller venues are needed or at least medium size, so as to accommodate
> > > dancing, limited seating. Say a Roseland sized venue. Very expensive to
> > > produce as a one off. Really we're all more likely to mine the party
> >circuit
> > > more profitably, its an economy of means sort of equation.
> > >    Current events have definitely made a dent in the bizz this last two
> > > years. AW
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Seth Rogovoy" <seth(dot)rogovoy (at) verizon(dot)net>
> > > To: "World music from a Jewish slant" <jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org>
> > > Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 5:51 PM
> > > Subject: Shrinking audiences? (was RE: Khevre is astounding)
> > >
> > >
> > > I wonder if what has been noted below isn't partly due to an overall trend
> > > affecting live music in theaters and clubs across the land -- and that is
> > > that in the last few years, certainly since 9/11 but especially since the
> > > beginning of Operation Iraqi Liberation, box office has been down across
> >the
> > > board.
> > >
> > > That certainly has been the case in my little corner of the world (western
> > > Massachusetts/Berkshires), where bands, including some of the ones
> >mentioned
> > > below, that used to be guaranteed sellouts, are lucky to attract a few
> >dozen
> > > people. Even Michelle Shocked is playing a rare solo gig at a local
> > > nightclub that seats 100 tomorrow night, and as far as I know that show
> >has
> > > yet to sell out.
> > >
> > > Have the professional performing musicians on this list noticed a definite
> > > drop at the box office since last spring?
> > >
> > > --Seth Rogovoy
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: owner-jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org
> > > > [mailto:owner-jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org] On Behalf Of Jordan 
> > > > Hirsch
> > > > Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 5:38 PM
> > > > To: World music from a Jewish slant
> > > > Subject: Re: Khevre is astounding
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >    I have been feeling this way a little about the shows at
> > > > Tonic as well. In some ways, I wonder if making the music too
> > > > accesible means people take it for granted?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > JH
> > > >
> > > > Ari Davidow wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > >The only down side was the sparse turnout. This is the
> > > > second concert
> > > > > >I've seen in the last month at the Regent Theater in
> > > > Arlington (MA),
> > > > > >the first being Pharaoh's Daughter.
> > > > >
> > > > > I do feel that this band is perfect for Johnny D's or
> > > > Passim, but even
> > > > > so, when there is room for a big turnout, let's all turn out!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >------------------------------
> >Message-ID: <007f01c3c2a2$2afb7940$d472c118 (at) DFRPFC11>
> >From: "allen watsky" <awatsky (at) nj(dot)rr(dot)com>
> >To: World music from a Jewish slant <jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org>
> >Subject: Re: Shrinking audiences? (was RE: Khevre is astounding)
> >Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 19:27:05 -0500
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> >
> >I think yes, the mizrahi thing under the yiddisha modes and cadences, its
> >happening, its there, in the air ,part of the current zeitgeist. I think
> >that the yiddish dances and the more postmodern rhythm landscape is what the
> >music needs and what is and will be happening. That's my story and I'm
> >sticking to it ! I hope to prove my point,  at least to my satisfaction,
> >soon enough. Trade musicians have known for millennia that if they ain't
> >dancin', it ain't nothin'. There are Israeli bands touring behind this
> >concept now, at least a slice of it .AW
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Eliezer Kaplan" <zelwel (at) comcast(dot)net>
> >To: "World music from a Jewish slant" <jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org>
> >Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 7:02 PM
> >Subject: Re: Shrinking audiences? (was RE: Khevre is astounding)
> >
> >
> > > >Still, I see the future of JM looking toward the dance floor if it
> > > > wants to be relevant in the market place, deep groove , trance/funk.But
> > > with
> > > > the modes and cadences of cantoral and klez.
> > >
> > > You think there exists at this point good examples of this?
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "allen watsky" <awatsky (at) nj(dot)rr(dot)com>
> > > To: "World music from a Jewish slant" <jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org>
> > > Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 5:26 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Shrinking audiences? (was RE: Khevre is astounding)
> > >
> > >
> > > > With the weather being what it is today in the region, the only folks
> > > > hearing Khevre will be those who traveled down to play and some hearty
> > > souls
> > > > who live on the Island of Manhattan. Another nor'easter, feh.
> > > >    Re: the shrinking audience thread, its actually been picking up a bit
> > > > lately. Still, I see the future of JM looking toward the dance floor if
> >it
> > > > wants to be relevant in the market place, deep groove , trance/funk.But
> > > with
> > > > the modes and cadences of cantoral and klez. So for that reason larger,
> > > not
> > > > smaller venues are needed or at least medium size, so as to accommodate
> > > > dancing, limited seating. Say a Roseland sized venue. Very expensive to
> > > > produce as a one off. Really we're all more likely to mine the party
> > > circuit
> > > > more profitably, its an economy of means sort of equation.
> > > >    Current events have definitely made a dent in the bizz this last two
> > > > years. AW
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Seth Rogovoy" <seth(dot)rogovoy (at) verizon(dot)net>
> > > > To: "World music from a Jewish slant" <jewish-music (at) 
> > > > shamash(dot)org>
> > > > Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 5:51 PM
> > > > Subject: Shrinking audiences? (was RE: Khevre is astounding)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I wonder if what has been noted below isn't partly due to an overall
> >trend
> > > > affecting live music in theaters and clubs across the land -- and that
> >is
> > > > that in the last few years, certainly since 9/11 but especially since
> >the
> > > > beginning of Operation Iraqi Liberation, box office has been down across
> > > the
> > > > board.
> > > >
> > > > That certainly has been the case in my little corner of the world
> >(western
> > > > Massachusetts/Berkshires), where bands, including some of the ones
> > > mentioned
> > > > below, that used to be guaranteed sellouts, are lucky to attract a few
> > > dozen
> > > > people. Even Michelle Shocked is playing a rare solo gig at a local
> > > > nightclub that seats 100 tomorrow night, and as far as I know that show
> > > has
> > > > yet to sell out.
> > > >
> > > > Have the professional performing musicians on this list noticed a
> >definite
> > > > drop at the box office since last spring?
> > > >
> > > > --Seth Rogovoy
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: owner-jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org
> > > > > [mailto:owner-jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org] On Behalf Of Jordan 
> > > > > Hirsch
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 5:38 PM
> > > > > To: World music from a Jewish slant
> > > > > Subject: Re: Khevre is astounding
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >    I have been feeling this way a little about the shows at
> > > > > Tonic as well. In some ways, I wonder if making the music too
> > > > > accesible means people take it for granted?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > JH
> > > > >
> > > > > Ari Davidow wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > >The only down side was the sparse turnout. This is the
> > > > > second concert
> > > > > > >I've seen in the last month at the Regent Theater in
> > > > > Arlington (MA),
> > > > > > >the first being Pharaoh's Daughter.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I do feel that this band is perfect for Johnny D's or
> > > > > Passim, but even
> > > > > > so, when there is room for a big turnout, let's all turn out!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >------------------------------
> >From: Klezcorner (at) aol(dot)com
> >Message-ID: <121(dot)2904a01e(dot)2d0e68a6 (at) aol(dot)com>
> >Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 20:30:14 EST
> >Subject: Re:trance/funk.But the modes and cadences of cantoral and klez.
> >To: World music from a Jewish slant <jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org>
> >
> >
> >In a message dated 12/14/3 4:03:19 PM, zelwel (at) comcast(dot)net writes:
> >
> ><< >Still, I see the future of JM looking toward the dance floor if it
> >
> > > wants to be relevant in the market place, deep groove , trance/funk.But
> >
> >with
> >
> > > the modes and cadences of cantoral and klez.
> >
> >
> >You think there exists at this point good examples of this?
> >
> >
> >  >>
> >
> >Hey Eli, glad you asked.
> >
> >About 3 years ago, I made a posting about a then new CD "Shema Yisrael - The
> >Cantorial Project: Ethno Ambient".  Produced by Arik Rudick, who had a smash
> >album "Sattala",in Israel in early 70s using various synthesizers.
> >
> >On the"Shema Israel' CD, he created new "electronic" music specifically for
> >classic Cantorial recordings by Kwartin, Glantz, Kapov-Kagan, Rosenblatt,
> >Chagy, etc.
> >
> >Unlike recordings that sample cantorial records INTO new music, this music
> >was composed specifically for the actual contorial recording.  A somewhat
> >similar recording, "Covenant" was released about the same time, but I
> >don't think it
> >was nearly as good. It sounded las if the Cantorial was sampled INTO the
> >music.
> >
> >Though I thought "Shema Israel" was a good recording, it had no market at
> >that time. About 6 months ago, one of the students at a local Yeshiva
> >bought one
> >for a party "sight" unheard, and now everybody in his class has purchased
> >this
> >disc....an overnight hit...after 3 years.
> >
> >Simon
> >Hatikvah Music
> >323) 655-7083
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >------------------------------
> >From: Buby8 (at) aol(dot)com
> >Message-ID: <12e(dot)378e3aef(dot)2d0e74b1 (at) aol(dot)com>
> >Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 21:21:37 EST
> >Subject: Re: On Sale! New Lori Cahan-Simon New CD
> >To: World music from a Jewish slant <jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org>
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> >Lori's CD is wonderful. What a gift to all of us lynda A Cohen
> >
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> >Lori's CD is wonderful. What a gift to all of us lynda= A Cohen
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> >
> >
> >------------------------------
> >Message-Id: <200312150303(dot)hBF33O519620 (at) panix1(dot)panix(dot)com>
> >Subject: Re: On Sale! New Lori Cahan-Simon New CD
> >To: World music from a Jewish slant <jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org>
> >Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 22:03:24 -0500 (EST)
> >From: "r l reid" <ro (at) panix(dot)com>
> >From: "r l reid" <ro (at) panix(dot)com>
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> >
> >And reviewed in this weeks Yiddish Forward.  I think it's a good review -
> >at least, the two paragraphs I've made it through so far are good - I'm
> >slow.
> >
> >You can see it by going to http://yiddish.forward.com/ and clicking
> >on "in der velt fun yidish" (third blue box down on the right).
> >
> >In the print version Lori's in the middle, but in the online version
> >the picture of the record is on the top - the review itself is in
> >the fine company of Brave Alte Velt's "Bentsht Das Fier", and Milken's
> >Abraham Ellstein disk.
> >
> >--
> >r l reid        ro (at) rreid(dot)net
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >------------------------------
> >From: AGREENBA (at) aol(dot)com
> >Message-ID: <155(dot)2990535e(dot)2d0e81f9 (at) aol(dot)com>
> >Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 22:18:17 EST
> >Subject: dec. 21 Tonic: FleytMuzik
> >To: World music from a Jewish slant <jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org>
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> >
> >If the weather will cooperate I hope I'll see some of you at Tonic this=20
> >coming Sunday, December 21. Pete Rushefsky, Marty Confurius and I will perfo=
> >rm=20
> >works from the FleytMuzik CD plus a newly-composed Khanuke freylekhs (I
> >had=20=
> >to=20
> >write one; and I'll tell y'all why when y'all come on down) and a refreshing=
> >=20
> >little Triplik sher. If there's room I certainly hope people will do a littl=
> >e=20
> >dancing, even if you have to come up on stage - we'll make room for you,
> >no=20=
> >prob.
> >
> >If you're not sure you like the flute, like the flute in klezmer, like it=20
> >with cimbalom, or whatever reason will hold you back, at least take a listen=
> >  at=20
> >www.klezmerflute.com. I'll also be bringing my new ebay little gem purchased=
> >=20
> >last month, a wonderful Julius Zimmermann 8-key flute that I'm still learnin=
> >g to=20
> >play - but I'll tell you more about that....when I see you.....and I promise=
> >=20
> >I'll only perform the few tunes on that flute that I can play....
> >
> >As many of you are aware, Pete and Marty are stellar musicians and it's goin=
> >g=20
> >to be a blast playing with them. Our two sets will be different tunes so com=
> >e=20
> >for the entire afternoon.
> >
> >(you know the drill: 1:30 and 3:00; more details on my website)=20
> >
> >Review Snippits:
> >=E2=80=9CHer flute playing is inspired. It rocks. Even on the most intricate=
> >, quiet,=20
> >classical passages, this is the sort of playing that makes clear how much of=
> >  a=20
> >difference amazing musicianship makes=E2=80=9D.
> >
> >  =E2=80=9CFleytMuzik is fresh, marvelously joyous and soulful at once - 
> > it's=
> >=20
> >everything the best klezmer music, and the best music per se, should be; mus=
> >ic that=20
> >not only the ears listen to but the heart as well, and music that delights b=
> >oth.=E2=80=9D
> >
> >
> >=E2=80=9CIndeed Adrianne is a master on the flute and without any problem sh=
> >e knows=20
> >how to interpret the klezmer music in a professional and personal way.=E2=
> >=80=9D
> >
> >=E2=80=9CWe get a sense of how klezmer might have sounded, at its best,
> >100=20=
> >or 200=20
> >years ago, before klezmer horns, before Americanized klezmer, before the=20
> >clarinet became the main solo instrument. It's classical klezmer, if you wil=
> >l.   What=20
> >a beautiful, wonderful gift!=E2=80=9D
> >
> >
> >See yas!
> >
> >Adrianne
> >
> >______________________________________
> >Adrianne Greenbaum
> >www.klezmerflute.com & www.klezband.com
> >Associate Professor of Flute, Mount Holyoke College
> >Klezmer flutist: =E2=80=9CFleytMuzik=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9CFamily Portrait=
> >=E2=80=9D
> >Classical: "Sounds of America"
> >fluteworld or cdbaby
> >
> >=20
> >
> >
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> >
> >If the weather will cooperate I hope I'll see= some of you at Tonic this
> >coming Sunday, December 21. Pete Rushefsky, Marty= Confurius and I will
> >perform works from the FleytMuzik CD plus a newly-comp= osed Khanuke
> >freylekhs (I had to write one; and I'll tell y'all why when y'a= ll come
> >on down) and a refreshing little Triplik sher. If there's room I cer=
> >tainly hope people will do a little dancing, even if you have to come up
> >on=20= stage - we'll make room for you, no prob.
> >
> >If you're not sure you like the flute, like the flute in klezmer, like it
> >wi= th cimbalom, or whatever reason will hold you back, at least take a
> >listen a= t www.klezmerflute.com. I'll also be bringing my new ebay little
> >gem purchas= ed last month, a wonderful Julius Zimmermann 8-key flute that
> >I'm still lear= ning to play - but I'll tell you more about that....when I
> >see you.....and I= promise I'll only perform the few tunes on that flute
> >that I can play....
> >As many of you are aware, Pete and Marty are stellar musicians and it's
> >goin= g to be a blast playing with them. Our two sets will be different
> >tunes so c= ome for the entire afternoon.
> >
> >(you know the drill: 1:30 and 3:00; more details on my website)
> >
> >Review Snippits:
> ><= I>=E2=80=9CHer flute playing is inspired. It rocks. Even on the most
> >intrica= te, quiet, classical passages, this is the sort of playing that
> >makes clear=20= how much of a difference amazing musicianship makes=E2=80=9D.
> >
> >=E2=80=9CFleytMuzik is fresh, marvelously joyous and soulful at once -
> >it's= everything the best klezmer music, and the best music per se, should
> >be; mu= sic that not only the ears listen to but the heart as well, and
> >music that d= elights both.=E2=80=9D
> >
> >= =E2=80=9CIndeed Adrianne is a master on the flute and without any
> >problem sh= e knows how to interpret the klezmer music in a professional
> >and personal wa= y.=E2=80=9D
> ><= I>
> >= =E2=80=9CWe get a sense of how klezmer might have sounded, at its best,
> >100=20= or 200 years ago, before klezmer horns, before Americanized
> >klezmer, before=20= the clarinet became the main solo instrument. It's
> >classical klezmer, if you= will.  What a beautiful, wonderful gift!=E2=80=9D
> >See yas!
> >
> >Adrianne
> >
> >______________________________________
> >Adrianne Greenbaum
> >www.klezmerflute.com & www.klezband.com
> >Associate Professor of Flute, Mount Holyoke College
> >Klezmer flutist: =E2=80=9CFleytMuzik=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9CFamily
> >Portrait= =E2=80=9D
> >Classical: "Sounds of America"
> >fluteworld or cdbaby
> >
> >=
> >
> >
> >------------------------------
> >
> >End of JEWISH-MUSIC Digest 2815
> >*******************************
> >
>
> ***********************************
> Jeff Perlman
> 917-287-7702
> jeffrey(dot)perlman (at) aya(dot)yale(dot)edu
>

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