RE: horns

[lipkowitz <lipkowitz...>]

Riefenstahl is a liar.  She knew exactly what Nazism was about and what it
was up to.  Fritz Hippler (director of the Eternal Jew--and head of
Germany's film industry during the Nazi years) also makes the same kind of
whining--"I didn't know"--talk.  This is not a case of an honest, though
failed, attempt to produce art in a particular style.  It was and is high
quality, racist propaganda.  Music is different. Music (free of words) does
not lend itself as easily to ideological interpretation. That is why it is
far easier to lift musical ideas from a group of people you otherwise
despise.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: jordan newman [SMTP:jznewma (at) yahoo(dot)ca]
> Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 10:59 AM
> To:   World music from a Jewish slant
> Subject:      Re: horns
> 
> And to open an even bigger can of something: what
> about the work of third reich film maker Leni
> Riefenstahl (triumph of the will, olympia, etc..)? 
> Almost every news item featuring Riefenstahl includes
> something about genius and evil.  I ask this because,
> in fact, she has a film due to release on her
> centenary (yes she's still alive and kicking).  And
> Jodie Foster is apparently releasing a biopic in which
> she portrays the film maker sometime soon, for which
> she (Foster) was predictably scolded by many
> organizations.
> 
> But the question is, what about her work, specifically
> the highly influencial work she did for the nazis (she
> claims she knew nothing of all that bad stuff the
> nazis were doing): art? evil? good art? bad art? wrong
> art? Does it have value?
> 
> 
> --- Judith R Cohen <judithc (at) YorkU(dot)CA> wrote:
> > but no one actually answered Josh's question, which
> > in light of your various anecdotes and observations,
> is even more interesting. Josh asked soemthing like,
> "does that invalidate the painting as a work of art?"
> 
> 
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