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Clearly WHAT I MEAN is that I am trying to be good-humoured with the men on this list and their occasional juvenilia about women, but my patience is wearing thin. And it's all a question of empiricism: I'll feel obliged to pants anybody who thinks that women or men or children are objects. So could some of the men on this list PLEASE move on from discussing women as if they are "things" or talmudic arguments. I'm actually a very nice woman so for me to say I've had enough, may in fact be that perhaps, OTHER women and some men on this list, might have had enough with this chazzerish behavior.
Trudi
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