Re: Yippie for Hippies (old and new)

[Trudi Goodman <goobietheg...>]

     Hey Ari:
     It's Trudi with an I not and IE.
     And ahem...cynicism is it's own lack of reward...ifn you knowws what I 
means.
     Hey I'm humorous...WHAT DO YOU MEAN I'M NOT HUMOUROUS.
     At least it wasn't a live chicken.
     Love and tofu knishes,
      Trudi the G


>From: Ari Davidow <ari (at) ivritype(dot)com>
>Reply-To: jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org
>To: World music from a Jewish slant <jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org>
>Subject: Re: Yippie for Hippies (old and new)
>Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 14:43:36 -0400
>
>Or, heaven help us all, what if Mark or Trudie lose
>their ability to hear humor, or their desire to convey
>serious ideas using same! It's Elul. It's a good month
>to grant each other benefit of the doubt,
>
>ari
>
>At 02:41 PM 9/12/00 -0400, you wrote:
> >
> >IT is astonishing to me that a musician who plays
> >Jewish music and Americana roots-rock would harbor
> >what appears to be prejudices based on generational
> >and personal-style differences, i.e. -- "hippie".
> >
> >This is not an attack:
> >For interest's sake, if I'm not mistaken, a photo of
> >Mark's band reveal him to be sporting A LOT of tattoos.
> >I certainly do not judge him for using his epidermis
> >as a canvas, but I hope he is prepared for the kind
> >of thoughtless and casual abuse he dishes out when
> >he gets "old" and his generation's stylish =mishegas=
> >is siezed upon and ridiculed by the next wave of
> >o-so-superior younger people.
> >
> >Wolf
> >
> >
> >"What's so funny about
> >peace, love and understanding?"  Elvis Costello
> >
> >
> >
> >Trudi Goodman wrote:
> >
> >>      Hey as an old hippie(or as Abbie Hoffman would say...Yippie!!!) I 
>take
> >> great personal offense at this statement!
> >>      I challenge you to a duel:  your raging egotism versus me swinging 
>a
> >> chicken at you...(Empire Kosher Frozen of course).
> >>       Trudi the G
> >>
> >> >From: M Rubin <mdrubin (at) bga(dot)com>
> >> >Reply-To: jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org
> >> >To: World music from a Jewish slant <jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org>
> >> >Subject: Re: Klezmer! - Fact or Fiction? & an on-topic Q
> >> >Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 01:01:10 -0500
> >> >
> >> >Please, please... I guess it's hopeless to ask, but could we keep the 
>list
> >> >to discussing music and not who credited what when.
> >> >
> >> >I mean, It goes without saying that that the old hippies leftover from 
>the
> >> >klezmer "revival" have turned into a babbling pack of backstabbing
> >> >doofuses, each bent on revising history to fit thier personal 
>adgendas, or
> >> >"mantras" if you will, Henry and Josh included. (How Jewish is a 
>mantra
> >> >anyway?)  Not everybody gets published outside a chat line though.
> >> >
> >> >Chew on this tidbit: It's as important to the discussion as cups on a
> >> >corpse. (I can't listen to Partisans ever again without the image of a 
>sad
> >> >old hippie fuming over some book so bad he had to go share it with the
> >> >pitifull few subscribers to this here list. Dude, it's sad.)
> >> >
> >> >Let me state for the record: In my young career in folk and vernacular
> >> >musical scenes, y'all round here take the cake for this sort of 
>divisive
> >> >and bitter spirited discourse. It turns the stomach, really.
> >> >
> >> >Having the unique experience of being both a camper,  performer and a
> >> >staffer at a few of these battling Klez events, I can tell you that 
>never
> >> >is heard an encouraging word. Sure, there's trash talk backstage at 
>the
> >> >Bohemian battle dances in Praha TX, and sideways glances as the bands 
>take
> >> >the stage at the Conjunto Fest every year. But nothing like I've seen 
>go
> >> >down here, good people. It's like getting into a knife fight over a
> >> >quarter, what's the point? Bill Monroe would never be caught in a 
>public
> >> >forum slagging anybody, much less folks who really deserved it. He
> >> >recognized that there is little gained in dragging anybody down to 
>shine a
> >> >little
> >> >on them. Like crabs in a bucket, you don't have to put a lid on 'em, 
>they
> >> >always pull each other back in.
> >> >
> >> >If this is the klezmer scene, maybe it shouldnt have been revived in 
>the
> >> >place.
> >> >
> >> >On topic:
> >> >
> >> >Hey, anybody out there know when the tuba first appeared in Jewish 
>music?
> >> >
> >> >I figgered it was concidered a "loud" instrument, therfore forbidden 
>until
> >> >the 1800's or so. The instrument really hasn't been standardized until 
>very
> >> >recently, so I guess bass horn is a better description. I have a 78 of 
>a
> >> >USSR ensemble doing a doina w/ a freilach at the end and to my each I 
>hear
> >> >2 tubas in fact, probably BBb, but that's from the 1930's.
> >> >
> >> >The tuba is/was a mighty expensive instrument as well, though I take 
>issue
> >> >with Dr.Klez's riff that rotary valve instruments were more expensive 
>then,
> >> >my information says the opposite in fact. I've seen a lot of photos of
> >> >village bands with trombonik looking horns which I understand are of 
>the
> >> >Cimbasso family (valved bass trombones in F and Bb.)
> >> >
> >> >So the querry is, any evidence as to when they showed up as an 
>acceptable
> >> >bass instrument among Jewish players?
> >> >
> >> >Thanks!
> >> >
> >> >___________________________________________________________
> >> >Mark Rubin
> >> >
> >> >POB 49227, Austin TX 78765
> >> >http://www.markrubin.com
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> 
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