RE: kol isha and Carlebach

[Sonja Kalmering <kalmer...>]

Dear Robert,
Thanks for the info on Neshama beeing allowed to perform at the shul. Does
this imply that other women are singing as performers there as well
nowadays?
The fact that women aren't usually leading services at Orthodox shuls
wasn't really the point with my comment. I was  following  up the thread on
Kol Isha and Shlomo Carlebach, as he was brought up in the discussion, of
having left Chabad because of his differing opinion on how to interpret the
principle. (which was in fact news to me, I've heard there were other
issues).

I'd love to hear more about the "living room minyan", and get the info
Reyzl asked for.
Privately or to the list.

/Sonja
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>SO VERY HAPPY TO HEAR THIS NEWS.        Can you privately send me more
>info about this momentous event?
>
>
>Reyzl
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>From:  Robert Cohen [SMTP:rlcm17 (at) hotmail(dot)com]
>Sent:  Tuesday, March 14, 2000 1:51 PM
>To:  World music from a Jewish slant
>Subject:  Re: kol isha and Carlebach
>
>There's no need to open an extensive thread on this subject, but just FYI
>(where Y = yo, chevra--+ Sonja, obviously):  Neshama Carlebach *has* sung,
>as a performer, in the Carlebach shul (and, astonishingly, at Lincoln Square
>Synagogue, for that matter, and elsewhere).
>
>Of course the shul *is* Orthodox (though w/ some liberalities--too few for
>some of us--that are not found at other Orthodox shuls), so women don't lead
>services.  BTW, I'm advised that a new, monthly "living room minyan" in
>Newton, Mass., is a self-styled "progressive Orthodox" minyan in which women
>participate to the very maximum extent that, in the view of the (male and
>female) members, is allowed--extending, I am told, to leading the
>preliminary portions of services. -- Robert Cohen
>
>>From: kalmer (at) jmk(dot)su(dot)se (Sonja Kalmering)
>>Reply-To: jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org
>>To: World music from a Jewish slant <jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org>
>>Subject: Re: kol isha and Chabad and Carlebach
>>Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 17:52:54 +0100
>>
>>With all due respect to what Shlomo Carlebach and his music means to
>>people; at the Carlebach shul in NY, women aren't allowed to act as
>>songleaders/performers, and can sing along only from the women's section
>>(although I understand that women are allowed to play instruments at some
>>occasions).
>>/Sonja
>>
>>  Keep in mind that Shlomo
>> >Carlebach, z"l, *left* Chabad because he could not get a heter
>>(permission)
>> >to sing before mixed audiences (i.e., of men and women)--and that was a
>> >question of a (Orthodox) *man* singing!  Just try getting Chabad,
>>anywhere,
>> >to sponsor a concert involving Jewish women singing ... -- Robert
>> >
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