RE: lie-lie-lie vs. die-die-die (vocables)

[Reyzl Kalifowicz-Waletzky <reyzl...>]

I have been much too busy preparing for my daughter's bat mitsva to post on 
this list for the last 5 weeks, but will throw the following in.

Each hasidic sect had its own syllable and tradition.  I don't remember who 
had what, but I think Modzitsh (sp.?) had something like 'digi dig die', 
Lubavitch has its 'yie, yah, yie'..., someone has the 'die, die', etc.  If 
you listen to old recording of hasidic recordings or ask some hasidim to 
sing you a few nigunim of their _own_ sect, you would be able to figure it 
out what each hasidic sect was.  I also have a feeling that Velvl Pasternak 
knows the answer to this question best.  Reb Velvl?  Is you here?

Itsik, I think that 'lie, lie lie' is European rather than particularly 
Jewish.  One way of knowing is to ask the person to sing nigunim and 
traditional songs as opposed to songs that may have extracted from the 
native or local German Tchernovitz culture.

But I liked Steve Fishbach's interpretation.  That was a really good one.


Reyzl


----------
From:  Matt Jaffey [SMTP:mjaffey2 (at) mum(dot)edu]
Sent:  Tuesday, November 02, 1999 2:49 PM
To:  World music from a Jewish slant
Subject:  Re: lie-lie-lie vs. die-die-die (vocables)

<<Can anyone explain why when we sing nigunim in my synagogue everyone 
sings
"lie-lie-lie" rather than the more Yiddish way, "die-die-die"?>>

Not an answer, but related. A former member of the Slonim Hassidic 
community
mentioned  that the choice of syllables while singing nigunim in that
community were entirely arbitrary and personal, leading to a simultaneous
variety. From examples he gave, it seems that any soft consonant and any of
several vowel sounds could be used.

Matt



---------------------- jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org ---------------------+