Re:Love is all there is, you know.

[Trudi Goodman <goobietheg...>]

To Kame
I can't be bothered with this character assassination stuff!!!
I did not bring up Elvis-someone else on your list did.
As for Rabbi Joe Shubow, I am very proud to be related to him.
A small story for you...in the 1940's/1950's there was a racist,SOB priest 
named Father Coughlin, one of his equally racist contemporaries, named I 
believe Father Feeney, began preaching his own brand of Anti-Semetic crap in 
Boston.  Even though Feeney was eventually de-frocked, he did considerable 
damage in the Jewish, African-American and Asian communities.  People 
stirred up by his particular brand of hatred,went into communities and beat 
the hell out of everyone that they could get their hands on. Joe Shubow went 
with about 15 people down to the Boston Commons and confronted Feeney and 
his bullies.  Not bad for 1940's/1950's, hunh?
I do not expect you to give a damn...about what comes out of your keyboard, 
that you direct at others.  That may be too much to ask.  But it is my right 
as a human being, who is proud of being a Jewish person, to say exactly what 
I think.
If this irritates you may I suggest a quote from William Shakespeare-"Thou 
doth protest too much and too loudly."  Translation---it's pretty damned 
easy to slam me when you don't have to look at me!
I got on this list to hear about Jewish music, culture and what you have to 
say---this is a Free country, that means I get to put in my 2 cents, also.
As for St, John's Wort...I've never needed it.  Listening to good music, 
from whatever inspirational place in HaShem's Universe usually does the 
trick for me.
As for anti-semetic Black Music.  Yes, there is.  But...that's not all there 
is out there in the black community--that was my point, no matter how 
philpul you took it.
Be Well, even if it's a stretch for you to wish me well.
P.S. I am always judged souly on my merits by HaShem, the great Judge and 
not by you or by me.  That kind of judgement and credential is too easy "to 
fake"
Zei Gezunt, TCG

>From: "Kame'a Media" <media (at) kamea(dot)com>
>Reply-To: jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org
>To: World music from a Jewish slant <jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org>
>Subject: Re: Elvis Stuff
>Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 20:52:48 -0400
>
>
>
>Trudi Goodman wrote:
>
> > >From Trudi Goodman:
> > I want to know why you are all so obsessed with who is Jewish???
>
>Well, Trudi, this is aJewish Music list and we're interested in all things
>musically Jewish, including  Jewish musicians.  I don't know anyone who  
>could
>be said to be "obsessed" about that, though.  The list has some pretty 
>cool,
>creative and well-educated people.It was you who brought up Elvis'
>"Jewishnesss" (sic).
>
> > It makes you what, better Yidn?
>
>No, just better informed.
>
> > My response is to try having a sense of humor.  It wouldn't kill you. 
>I'm
>
> > fairly religious, so I am not requesting that someone not care about 
>that.
>
>Double negative. I can assure you, we don't care about religious 
>affiliations
>or level s of observance.We are an inclusive community.
>
> > What I am requesting is that people just GET OFF THEIR HIGH HORSES ABOUT
> > JEWS.!!!
> > WE ARE JUST PEOPLE, NOT BETTER OR WORSE THAN ANY OTHER PEOPLE.
>
>Why are you yelling?
>
> > I am all for celebrating Jewish diversity.  That means everybody's
> > diversity.  And if the El was proud of his Jewish relatives, so
> > be it.  That is good enough for me.
>
>What are your sources?  Not one of those low-brow sensationalist knock-offs
>"written" by one of his cousins or cronies, I  hope.Where did you ever get 
>"the
>El" from, anyway?  "The El" is the part of the NY subway that runs above 
>ground
>(the elevated), not the King of Rock 'n Roll.Read Peter Guralnick's 
>2-volume
>Elvis bio, the definitive work on Presley written by a respected scholar of
>American popular music.
>
> > If you don't like that, and need to see a frum Jew under
> > every bush and tree in someone's family tree, I feel sorry for you. 
>Because
> > it means that you are short-sighted and unrealistic about what it means 
>to
> > be a Jew in the world.
>
>I don't know what prompted this outburst. Who are you to lecture us?"High
>horse," indeed.  You sound kinda confused and conflicted to me.
>
> > As for my credentials as a Yid---my first cousin was Joseph Shubow, the
> > chief Rabbi of Boston, is that GOOD ENOUGH FOR YOU?
>
>No. We don't care about <yikhes> on this list;  too easy to fake.You are
>judged solely on your own merits.
>
>
> > Zei Gezunt.
>
><Ir, oykh.>
>
> > And how about some discussions about Jewish culture and diversity???
> > My mother's family is North African and I would like to hear more about
> > that.
>
>So initiate something.  Or take a class and post something you learn.
>
> > As for the slam about Black music?  Why is that chazerei necessary?
>
>The discussion of anti-Semitic song lyrics and their social ramifications 
>is
><khazeray>?
>
> > Good music is good music.  As Mozart said(himself rumored to be a Jew)
>
>Now, who's obsessed with who's a Jew?  Rumors don't get any credence on 
>this
>list.We demand proof, at least a citation and we reserve the right to 
>question
>the scholarship of the author.
>
> > Love...Love... that is the Soul of genuis.
> > So try some love here, as opposed to sectarianism!
> > I'm tired of this from you guys and incredibly pissed off about it.
>
>Take some St. John's Wort;  chill.
>
>Wolf
>
> > Shalom and Peace be with you.
> > Trudi Goodman
> >
> > >From: "Kame'a Media" <media (at) kamea(dot)com>
> > >Reply-To: jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org
> > >To: World music from a Jewish slant <jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org>
> > >Subject: Re: Elvis Stuff
> > >Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 09:18:24 -0400
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Trudi Goodman wrote:
> > >
> > > > From: Trudi Goodman
> > > > Check his friend George's biography/memoir of the El.
> > > > George is Jewish.  Knew Elvis since childhood, grew up in the same 
>hood.
> > >  I
> > > > believe his last name is Stein???
> > >
> > >Klein.
> > >
> > > > The story goes that when Elvis' mother died--according to her 
>wishes,
> > > > because her mother was Jewish(El's grandmother) she wanted a Jewish 
>star
> > > > puton her headstone.Elvis did this--and his father Vernon freaked 
>and
> > > > demanded that it be removed---Vernon didn't want anyone to know that 
>his
> > >wife
> > > > was part Jewish.
> > >
> > > > I don't know if the star is actually still on the headstone---many
> > >people
> > > > knew this story though.
> > > > Elvis always maintained that he was part Jewish.
> > > > Of course, some of his friends were Jews growing up, like George.  
>Also
> > >when
> > > > his family was destitute(I think when his father Vern was in Jail) a
> > >local
> > > > Rabbi rented his mother and him an apartment--or gave them space to 
>live
> > >in
> > > > his basement.
> > > > So, if he wasn't Jewish he at least wanted to be.  Close enough for
> > >Jazz, I'd
> > > > say.
> > >
> > >I beg to differ.  Acknowledging one's family history and blood lines is
> > >hardly
> > >the same as "wanting to be Jewish".   Elvis  had no Jewish upbringing;  
>he
> > >was
> > >raised in the church and at revival meetings. If he had wanted to be
> > >Jewish, I
> > >don't think he would have recorded all those gospel albums or 
>celebrated
> > >Christmas like aSouthern <poretz>, with his legendary lavish 
>gift-giving,
> > >do
> > >you?'
> > >There is no record of any <seder> ever having taken place at Graceland 
>or
> > >of
> > >Elvis ever exploring conversion...According to the definitive Elvis
> > >biography
> > >(the two-volumes by American Music scholar Peter Guralnick -- Elvis did
> > >indeed
> > >have Jewish ancestry on his mother's side.  He also carried  a dozen 
>other
> > >blood lines including Native American and several European 
>nationalities.
> > >
> > >I don't think "close enough for jazz" is either a valid or an accurate
> > >statement.
> > >The implication is that jazz is some sort of sloppy, half-ass music.  
>One
> > >must
> > >be
> > >a very good and well-versed player to improvise creatively, no?
> > >
> > >Wolf
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: Reyzl Kalifowicz-Waletzky <reyzl (at) flash(dot)net>
> > > > >Reply-To: jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org
> > > > >To: World music from a Jewish slant <jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org>
> > > > >Subject: RE: Julio Inglesias Jewish? -Reply
> > > > >Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 13:00:36 -0400
> > > > >
> > > > > >My understanding is that Elvis's maternal grandmother was Jewish.
> > > > >
> > > > >I don't think that this is true.   I know that his mother was born 
>in
> > > > >Palestine but that doesn't automatically mean that the family was
> > >Jewish.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >Reyzl
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
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