Re: Re[2]: Dating the melodies used in Psalms, cantillation, etc

[Cantor Neil & Katie Schwartz <schwartz...>]

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>The German communities do NOT use trope for Ruth-Kohelet-Shir HaShirim).
>The Roedelheim Machzor specifically prints them witout the trope.
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>There's a lot more on this.  I believe Heidenheim attempted to relate
>the EMES (Iyov Mishl Tehillim) to the corresponding trope for the other
>21 books.  There are parallel passages in Tehillim and Shmuel that can
>help decode this relationship.  And as we know, the beginning of Iyov
>uses the standard Trop, not the Emes trop.  I don't know how that goes
>along with the understanding that the trops come from different schools.
>

Thank you for the additional interesting info!  Is there any other
source we can use to corroborate the Roedelheim Machzor on this?

One clarification:  my comment about "the trope come from different
schools" is based on this:  there were three different attempts to
establish vowels and cantillation marks during the 800's to 900's.
One attempt put too many marks above the letters, and it was hard
to read/chant.  There was a similar type of problem with another
version which was being developed at a similar time.  The only one
which received universal acceptance was the Tiberian system of Ben
Asher and family, because it was the easiest to read and chant.  It
reminds me of the Beta/VHS dispute in video tape; since I am typing
at a Mac I hope the parallel doesn't also extend too far into the
Mac/Windows conflict.  Seriously, for more info, read the article
on the "Masorah" in the extra volume at the end of the Encyclopedia
Judaica - it will tell you more than you ever wanted to know!  The
issue of which system of trope succeeded is not involved with the
issue of a separate "EMeT" trope; all three competing systems seem
to have had a separate "EMeT" trope, if I remember correctly.

                                                            Neil S.