[HANASHIR:17209] RE: Which Line Is It Anyway?

[Ellie Knepler <ellie...>]

Hi Steve,

I'm looking in my Mishnah--the line you quoted is from Avot 4:20. There 
is no 4: 27. I know that sometimes numbering systems vary a little, but 
I don't think they'd be off by that much.

That particular phrase is attributed to "Rabbi," which in my 
understanding refers to Rabbi Yehudah HaNasi, the redactor of the 
Mishnah.

Peace,

Ellie Knepler

On Mar 23, 2004, at 8:42 AM, Eric Rayvid wrote:

> Not sure if this went through because I sent it from a different email 
> address:
>
> Steve, I actually wrote a song to that text for the NFTY song 
> competition in
> either '87 or '88 (can't remember which).  At any rate, Jeff Jolton 
> and I took
> the text from the old blue GOP and the text was attributed to Rabbi 
> Yehuda.  Does
> this even answer your question?  I have no idea, but I thought I would 
> plug the
> music I wrote anyway.
>
> Send me an email offlist if you need any more information.
>
> ~Eric
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-hanashir (at) shamash(dot)org [mailto:owner-hanashir (at) 
> shamash(dot)org]On 
> Behalf Of
> Steve Meltzer
> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 6:52 AM
> To: Kehillat Hanashir
> Subject: [HANASHIR:17187] RE: Which Line Is It Anyway?
>
>
> Forgot to finish the sentence (duh!) . . . it was supposed to read, "I 
> have seen
> other sources (i.e., the blue GOP) that say it is Pirkei Avot 4:27.
>
>
>
> -- Steve 
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-hanashir (at) shamash(dot)org [mailto:owner-hanashir (at) 
> shamash(dot)org]On 
> Behalf Of
> Steve Meltzer
> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 12:38 AM
> To: Kehillat Hanashir
> Subject: [HANASHIR:17186] Which Line Is It Anyway?
>
>
>
> Chevrei -
>
> I have seen two different citations for the text "Al tistakeyl 
> b'kankan eileh
> b'mah sh'yeish bo."  (Do not judge the container, but rather what is 
> inside.)
> According to DavkaWriter Text Library; it is Pirkei Avot 4:20, but I 
> have seen
> other sources (i.e., the blue GOP).  Which is it?  Or is it the same 
> case as when
> I asked about the correct citation for "Lo alecha . . " last year 
> (depends on who
> you talk to)?
>
>
> Also, according to one version I learned when an Eisnerite, the phrase 
> was
> attributed to Rabbi Yehuda ("Amar, amar . . . amar Rabi Yehuda").  I 
> have seen
> other sources attribute this verse to Rabbi Meir. But I am having a 
> hard time
> distinguishing who actually said this phrase from the Hebrew text.  
> Any clues?
> Thanks in advance.
>
>
>
>
>
> B'shalom,
>
>
>
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