[HANASHIR:17207] RE: Which Line Is It Anyway?

[Stevens, Jennifer <JStevens...>]

Hi all,
 
I just learned something today about Pirkei Avot which may help clear up 
confusion to references.  Avot has two different numbering systems/orders/ways 
of being divided depending on where the Avot text is.  Avot in a siddur is 
ordered in one way and Avot in the Mishnah is numbered another way.  Same text, 
different breakdown.  Don't know which one Davka uses - probably the Mishnah if 
I *had* to guess.
 
Hope this is a bit helpful,
Jennifer
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Meltzer [mailto:steve (at) meltzerworld(dot)net]
Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 6:52 AM
To: Kehillat Hanashir
Subject: [HANASHIR:17187] RE: Which Line Is It Anyway?


Forgot to finish the sentence (duh!) . . . it was supposed to read, "I have 
seen other sources (i.e., the blue GOP) that say it is Pirkei Avot 4:27.
 
-- Steve 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hanashir (at) shamash(dot)org [mailto:owner-hanashir (at) 
shamash(dot)org]On Behalf Of Steve Meltzer
Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 12:38 AM
To: Kehillat Hanashir
Subject: [HANASHIR:17186] Which Line Is It Anyway?
 

Chevrei -


 


I have seen two different citations for the text "Al tistakeyl b'kankan eileh 
b'mah sh'yeish bo."  (Do not judge the container, but rather what is inside.)  
According to DavkaWriter Text Library; it is Pirkei Avot 4:20, but I have seen 
other sources (i.e., the blue GOP).  Which is it?  Or is it the same case as 
when I asked about the correct citation for "Lo alecha . . " last year (depends 
on who you talk to)?

 
Also, according to one version I learned when an Eisnerite, the phrase was 
attributed to Rabbi Yehuda ("Amar, amar . . . amar Rabi Yehuda").  I have seen 
other sources attribute this verse to Rabbi Meir. But I am having a hard time 
distinguishing who actually said this phrase from the Hebrew text.  Any clues? 
Thanks in advance.
 
 
B'shalom,
 
Steve Meltzer
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