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[HANASHIR:17207] RE: Which Line Is It Anyway?
- From: Stevens, Jennifer <JStevens...>
- Subject: [HANASHIR:17207] RE: Which Line Is It Anyway?
- Date: Wed 24 Mar 2004 20.09 (GMT)
I just learned something today about Pirkei Avot which may help clear up
confusion to references. Avot has two different numbering systems/orders/ways
of being divided depending on where the Avot text is. Avot in a siddur is
ordered in one way and Avot in the Mishnah is numbered another way. Same text,
different breakdown. Don't know which one Davka uses - probably the Mishnah if
I *had* to guess.
Hope this is a bit helpful,
From: Steve Meltzer [mailto:steve (at) meltzerworld(dot)net]
Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 6:52 AM
To: Kehillat Hanashir
Subject: [HANASHIR:17187] RE: Which Line Is It Anyway?
Forgot to finish the sentence (duh!) . . . it was supposed to read, "I have
seen other sources (i.e., the blue GOP) that say it is Pirkei Avot 4:27.
From: owner-hanashir (at) shamash(dot)org [mailto:owner-hanashir (at)
shamash(dot)org]On Behalf Of Steve Meltzer
Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 12:38 AM
To: Kehillat Hanashir
Subject: [HANASHIR:17186] Which Line Is It Anyway?
I have seen two different citations for the text "Al tistakeyl b'kankan eileh
b'mah sh'yeish bo." (Do not judge the container, but rather what is inside.)
According to DavkaWriter Text Library; it is Pirkei Avot 4:20, but I have seen
other sources (i.e., the blue GOP). Which is it? Or is it the same case as
when I asked about the correct citation for "Lo alecha . . " last year (depends
on who you talk to)?
Also, according to one version I learned when an Eisnerite, the phrase was
attributed to Rabbi Yehuda ("Amar, amar . . . amar Rabi Yehuda"). I have seen
other sources attribute this verse to Rabbi Meir. But I am having a hard time
distinguishing who actually said this phrase from the Hebrew text. Any clues?
Thanks in advance.
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