[HANASHIR:14214] RE: "Bat" in Hatikvah

[Meris Ruzow <meris...>]

Rahel - How about giving us a "top 5" of songs that ARE SUNG IN ISRAEL -
for:
Yom HaAtzmaut, Yom Yerushalayim, Shavuot.   Most of us know the "tried
and true," but what do they sing THERE?  Thanks!   
Meris Ruzow
meris (at) nycap(dot)rr(dot)com
 
 
Meris (at) nycap(dot)rr(dot)com
 
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Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 12:33 AM
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Subject: [HANASHIR:14212] RE: "Bat" in Hatikvah
 
Chevre, 

I second that motion. As HaTikvah is now considered Israel's National
Anthem, the dispute over "bat" or no "bat" should no longer be an issue.
Unless American Jews prefer to stay distant, and separate -  as always.
Oh yeah - I know - it's a low blow. But having returned to the States
after living 22 years in Israel, I know that I, for one, am having a
hard time with American Jewish attitudes towards Israel. It's a them and
us kind of attitude. I think it's high time we join forces and sing
HaTikvah as it is sung in Israel. There should be no discussion about
this as far as I am concerned.

BTW - there are loads of songs for Yom Ha'atsma'ut, Yom Yerushalayim,
Lag B'Omer, Shavuot and all the rest. Israeli's sing their hearts out. I
never heard so much music in my life until I went to Israel. Learn
Hebrew. Sing in Hebrew. Let's teach our children to sing in Hebrew.
Teach our children that WE are Israel. 

Sorry for the outburst, but I HURT inside sometimes. 

Rahel 

At 11:50 PM 5/7/2003 -0400, you wrote:


Iris:
 
I couldn't find the older messages in the archives, but I know they are
there somewhere. There's a disputed history, and a series of revised
lyrics that occurred pre and post 1948,  which both Cantor Klepper,
Judah Cohen and others have helped shed some light on before, and can,
perhaps, do so again, but for me, in the end, it boils down to this: the
official Israeli government version of Hatikvah contains the "bat",
ergo, that is the way it should be sung.
 
Adrian
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Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 1:53 PM 
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Subject: [HANASHIR:14208] "Bat" in Hatikvah
OK, I know this was a big topic last spring and I apologize for not
keeping it, or being able to recall the information, but today as my
adult Hebrew students opened Siddur Sim Shalom to sing Hatikvah, some
books had the "bat" in it and some did not. 
Can one of you kind folks refresh my memory as to why this was in and
then removed?
Todah rabah, 
Iris Petroff