[HANASHIR:13629] Re: What About Musical Fairness?

[Adrian Durlester <adrian...>]

Michael:

As List Owner, I must humbly disagree with your assessment of this
discussion being totally off-topic. It is somewhat tangential, but quite in
keeping with the overarching musical themes of the list. What happens in the
secular music world clearly has an impact on what happens in the Jewish
music world.

Adrian A. Durlester, MTS
E-mail: adrian (at) durlester(dot)com  URL:www.durlester.com
Director of Education, Beth El Hebrew Congregation, Alexandria, VA
education(dot)driector (at) bethelhebrew(dot)org
Past Conf Chair, CAJE 27, August 4-8, 2002, Trinity University, San Antonio,
TX
List Owner, hanashir (at) shamash(dot)org; Jewish Songleaders/Performers List
Co-Owner, l-torah (at) shamash(dot)org; Liberal Torah Discussion List




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Subject: [HANASHIR:13627] Re: What About Musical Fairness?


All very interesting, but way off topic.  One list I know puts OT in the 
subject of items of interest but off-topic...

Michael


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> Date: Monday, 24-Feb-03 01:41 PM
> 
> From: Bielan, Jack             \ Internet:    (jbielan (at) pacbell(dot)net)
> To:   Hanashir Mail Server     \ Internet:    (hanashir (at) shamash(dot)org)
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> Subject:  [HANASHIR:13614] Re: What About Musical Fairness?
> 
> Sender: owner-hanashir (at) shamash(dot)org
> Reply-to:       hanashir (at) shamash(dot)org
> To:     hanashir (at) shamash(dot)org
> Hi,
> Gotta go, but couldn't pass up the opportunity to respond to your
> response.
> 
> 1) This year's Grammys DO reflect a lot of what's selling.  Look at
> Billboard's charts. Despite the fact that Bruce didn't win for Album 
> of the Year (only Rock album of the year - <I'd certainly settle for 
> that... but that's another topic..>), and despite the fact that the 
> Grammys have often in the past not reflected much of what was going on in
music - do the
> numbers.  Count how many millions these folks are selling.   I agree: the
> Grammys have often rendered themselves irrelevant because of their 
> glaring ommisions of gifted artists.  My quarrel is not with the 
> Grammy Show itself (which looks more and more like "Star Search") - 
> but bemoans the overall industry as a whole.  As stated - especially 
> the absence of Jewish music.
> 
> 2) The fact that Marvin, Brian Wilson or any of the others you listed
> never won a Grammy has nothing to do with my point.  All you've gotta 
> do is turn on MTV and do a reality check on the state of contemporary 
> music.  And I beg to differ... folks with whom I used to work at 
> Motown ARE sickened by much of what they hear.
> 
> In addition, they are constantly getting ripped-off, their recordings
> sampled without any remuneration whatsoever, their income stolen by 
> internet downloading (a whole other topic which I wouldn't want to get 
> into).
> 
> Gotta get to work - let anyone else take the torch now.
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <sholom (at) aishdas(dot)org>
> To: <hanashir (at) shamash(dot)org>
> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 10:17 AM
> Subject: [HANASHIR:13613] Re: What About Musical Fairness?
> 
> 
> > > As I watched the Grammy Awards last night, I often felt like
> > > someone should be saying Kaddish for the music industry.
> > >
> > > I've always prided myself on trying to keep aware of contemporary
> > > musical trends
> >
> > > As I watched the Grammy Awards last night, I often felt like
> > > someone should be saying Kaddish for the music industry.
> > >
> > > I've always prided myself on trying to keep aware of contemporary
> > > musical trends
> >
> > But why do you think that the Grammy's have much to do with
> > contemporary musical trends?
> >
> > >the original
> > >Temptations and Marvin Gaye must be rolling over in their graves.
> >
> > Naah, they never won a Grammy.
> >
> > Look who else has never won a Grammy for an album or a song:
> >
> > The Grateful Dead, The Beach Boys, The Doors, Led Zeppelin, Neil
> > Young, The Who, Buddy Holly, Creedence Cleerwater Revival, Bob 
> > Marley, Jimi Hendrix, The Talking Heads, Sly and The Family Stone, 
> > Temptations, Diana Ross, Chuck Berry, Jackson Browne, Byrds, Sam 
> > Cooke, Elvis Costello, Four Tops, Supremes...
> >
> > (Some of the above won for lifetime achievements -- well after their
> > careers had taken a nosedive).
> >
> > Pink Floyd didn't win until 1994 when they took home one for Best
> > Rock Instrumental. The song was "Marooned." Forget about The Wall. 
> > Forget about Dark Side of The Moon (on the charts for a record 700+ 
> > weeks!). Forget about Wish You Were Here, Animals, Meddle . . .  
> > They won for "Marooned!!" What album was that off of again?
> >
> > The only Grammys Elvis Presley ever won were for albums in the
> > religious categories!
> >
> > The Allman Brothers Band, who were a pioneering Jam Band since 1969,
> > finally took home one Grammy in 1995 for "Jessica" - a song 
> > originally recorded for the album Brothers And Sisters...in 1973!!
> >
> > The Rolling Stones didn't win until 1994!!! The honor? Best Rock
> > Album for Voodoo Lounge!  Clearly their best and a groundbreaking 
> > album (not!). (OK, they did get a Lifetime Acheivement award in 1986 
> > -- but nothing previous to that.  Tell me how _that_ can happen?)  
> > Steely Dan first won in 2001!
> >
> > Bob Dylan -- who singlehandedly revolutionized pop music in the
> > 1960's and 1970's with such landmark albums as Highway 61 Revisited, 
> > Blonde on Blonde, Blood on the Tracks -- won a Lifetime Achievement 
> > in the 1990's -- but for nothing before that.
> >
> > I have to conclude that the Grammy's have only little to do with the
> > real music scene.
> >
> > -- Sholom
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

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