[HANASHIR:13627] Re: What About Musical Fairness?

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All very interesting, but way off topic.  One list I know puts OT in the 
subject of items of interest but off-topic...

Michael


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> Date: Monday, 24-Feb-03 01:41 PM
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> From: Bielan, Jack             \ Internet:    (jbielan (at) pacbell(dot)net)
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> Subject:  [HANASHIR:13614] Re: What About Musical Fairness?
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> Hi,
> Gotta go, but couldn't pass up the opportunity to respond to your response.
> 
> 1) This year's Grammys DO reflect a lot of what's selling.  Look at
> Billboard's charts. Despite the fact that Bruce didn't win for Album of the
> Year (only Rock album of the year - <I'd certainly settle for that... but
> that's another topic..>), and despite the fact that the Grammys have often
> in the past not reflected much of what was going on in music - do the
> numbers.  Count how many millions these folks are selling.   I agree: the
> Grammys have often rendered themselves irrelevant because of their glaring
> ommisions of gifted artists.  My quarrel is not with the Grammy Show itself
> (which looks more and more like "Star Search") - but bemoans the overall
> industry as a whole.  As stated - especially the absence of Jewish music.
> 
> 2) The fact that Marvin, Brian Wilson or any of the others you listed never
> won a Grammy has nothing to do with my point.  All you've gotta do is turn
> on MTV and do a reality check on the state of contemporary music.  And I beg
> to differ... folks with whom I used to work at Motown ARE sickened by much
> of what they hear.
> 
> In addition, they are constantly getting ripped-off, their recordings
> sampled without any remuneration whatsoever,
> their income stolen by internet downloading (a whole other topic which I
> wouldn't want to get into).
> 
> Gotta get to work - let anyone else take the torch now.
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <sholom (at) aishdas(dot)org>
> To: <hanashir (at) shamash(dot)org>
> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 10:17 AM
> Subject: [HANASHIR:13613] Re: What About Musical Fairness?
> 
> 
> > > As I watched the Grammy Awards last night, I often felt like someone
> > > should be saying Kaddish for the music industry.
> > >
> > > I've always prided myself on trying to keep aware of contemporary
> > > musical trends
> >
> > > As I watched the Grammy Awards last night, I often felt like someone
> > > should be saying Kaddish for the music industry.
> > >
> > > I've always prided myself on trying to keep aware of contemporary
> > > musical trends
> >
> > But why do you think that the Grammy's have much to do with contemporary
> > musical trends?
> >
> > >the original
> > >Temptations and Marvin Gaye must be rolling over in their graves.
> >
> > Naah, they never won a Grammy.
> >
> > Look who else has never won a Grammy for an album or a song:
> >
> > The Grateful Dead, The Beach Boys, The Doors, Led Zeppelin, Neil Young,
> > The Who, Buddy Holly, Creedence Cleerwater Revival, Bob Marley, Jimi
> > Hendrix,
> > The Talking Heads, Sly and The Family Stone, Temptations, Diana Ross,
> > Chuck Berry, Jackson Browne, Byrds, Sam Cooke, Elvis Costello, Four Tops,
> > Supremes...
> >
> > (Some of the above won for lifetime achievements -- well after their
> > careers had taken a nosedive).
> >
> > Pink Floyd didn't win until 1994 when they took home one for Best Rock
> > Instrumental. The song was "Marooned." Forget about The Wall. Forget about
> > Dark Side of The Moon (on the charts for a record 700+ weeks!). Forget
> > about Wish You Were Here, Animals, Meddle . . .  They won for "Marooned!!"
> > What album was that off of again?
> >
> > The only Grammys Elvis Presley ever won were for albums in the religious
> > categories!
> >
> > The Allman Brothers Band, who were a pioneering Jam Band since 1969,
> > finally took home one Grammy in 1995 for "Jessica" - a song originally
> > recorded for the album Brothers And Sisters...in 1973!!
> >
> > The Rolling Stones didn't win until 1994!!! The honor? Best Rock Album for
> > Voodoo Lounge!  Clearly their best and a groundbreaking album (not!).
> > (OK, they did get a Lifetime Acheivement award in 1986 -- but nothing
> > previous to that.  Tell me how _that_ can happen?)  Steely Dan first won
> > in 2001!
> >
> > Bob Dylan -- who singlehandedly revolutionized pop music in the 1960's and
> > 1970's with such landmark albums as Highway 61 Revisited, Blonde on
> > Blonde, Blood on the Tracks -- won a Lifetime Achievement in the 1990's --
> > but for nothing before that.
> >
> > I have to conclude that the Grammy's have only little to do with the real
> > music scene.
> >
> > -- Sholom
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
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