[HANASHIR:11422] Re: v'sham'ru pronunciation

[Sharon Steinberg <cantorshar...>]

The rule as I understand it is:
  
Kamatz katan occurs in a closed unaccented syllable...

closed syllable = consonant/vowel/consonant
open syllable = consonant/vowel

The word KOL, which is a single syllable (therefore accented) would logically 
then be pronounced KAL.  However, this word is almost always hyphenated onto 
another word thereby causing it to no longer be accented.  If you examine 
biblical Hebrew texts, you will note that when this is not the case, KOL is 
spelled with a cholem.

Hope that helps....

Sharon  
  
----- Original Message -----
From: ilana axel
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 3:07 AM
To: hanashir (at) shamash(dot)org
Subject: [HANASHIR:11419] Re: v'sham'ru pronunciation
  
Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but I understood
that when the kamatz is followed by a consonant with a
silent sh'va underneath, it (the kamatz) becomes "o"
instead of "a", therefore:
kodshecha (silent sh'va under the dalet)
kodsho (same)
zochrenu (silent sh'va under the chaf)
Godlo (under the dalet)
Uv'shochb'cha (under the chaf)
Uv'chol (under the lamed)
B'govhei (under the vet)
etc.....
This rule has helped me a lot!
Ilana


--- Jennifer Stevens <srtalina (at) hotmail(dot)com> wrote:
> Note: slightly off the general topic of music, but
> relevant in that we need
> to sing words with the correct diction/pronunciation
>
> Andy and group,
>
> As some of you probably know, there are rules about
> when a kamatz is a
> kamatz (gadol?) and when a kamatz is a kamatz katan.
>  The rules are a bit
> tricky to learn, but not so bad once you know them.
>
> I don't remember all of the rules, but something
> which can help is to think
> if you know a related word to the one in question.
> For example, we should
> say "kodsh'cha" rather than "kadsh'cha".  If you
> remember that "kodsh'cha"
> is related to "kodesh", then you'll probably
> remember to say "kodsh'cha".
> Of course, if you instead remember that "kodsh'cha"
> is also related to
> "kaddish"... I'm sure you see the dilemma.
>
> In any case, if you are curious to learn the rules
> of kamatz (as well as
> sheva'im, dag'shim, and other fun stuff), you may
> want to look for a Hebrew
> textbook at your local university bookstore.  Also,
> the Adult Hebrew Primer
> (local Judaica store) may have some helpful hints.
>
> Back to music,
> Jennifer
>
>
> >From: Andy Curry <acurry (at) lenexa(dot)sema(dot)slb(dot)com>
> >Reply-To: hanashir (at) shamash(dot)org
> >To: hanashir (at) shamash(dot)org
> >Subject: [HANASHIR:11416] Re: v'sham'ru
> pronunciation
> >Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 09:07:14 -0700
> >Jennifer, your Hebrew teacher was correct about
> "b'gov-hey".  Some sidurim
> >print the kamatz katan, GOP does not; if not, how
> is the regular guy
> >supposed to know whether a kamatz is katan or not?
> >
> >Andy
> >
> >At 09:24 AM 4/25/02 -0400, Jennifer wrote:
> > >I would need to see the Hebrew (which I sadly do
> not have at my office).
> > >However, I believe you can use this guideline for
> the word - if there is
> >a
> > >dagesh (dot) in the shin, then you should
> pronounce it hashe'vi-i.  If
> >there
> > >is not a dagesh, then you would pronounce it
> hash'vi'i.
> > >
> > >Personally, I've always heard it said as the
> latter, but I also hear
> > >"b'gav-hei" in the Aleinu when my Hebrew teacher
> told me it should be
> > >"b'gov-hei".
> > >
> > >Good luck!
> > >Jennifer
> >
> >Andy Curry, Kansas City
> >acurry (at) lenexa(dot)sema(dot)slb(dot)com
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Change is inevitable; Growth is optional"
> -Gary S. Insch
>
>
>
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