RE: gilded script on the inlay

[lipkowitz <lipkowitz...>]

There is nothing like improvisation over a series of chords, or blues, or
banjos (for that matter) in English/Irish/Scots music.  This stuff derives
from black music. 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lori Cahan-Simon [SMTP:l_cahan (at) staff(dot)chuh(dot)org]
> Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 11:52 AM
> To:   World music from a Jewish slant
> Subject:      Re: gilded script on the inlay
> 
> I'm in no way an expert on bluegrass, however, it seems to me that it owes
> more to evolution from the music that was brought over with the English
> settlers.  Am I wrong?
> 
> lipkowitz (at) aa(dot)edu <mailto:lipkowitz (at) aa(dot)edu> wrote:
> 
> 
>       Actually, Bluegrass does, in part, owe its drive and improvisational
> sense
>       to Jazz.  Bill Monroe spoke of listening to Jazz on the Radio.
> Bluegrass is
>       a thoroughly 20th century music and its early practitioners were
> attempting
>       to create a modern sound.  Jazz was part of that.
>       
> 
>               -----Original Message-----
>               From:   Lori Cahan-Simon [ SMTP:l_cahan (at) 
> staff(dot)chuh(dot)org
> <mailto:SMTP:l_cahan (at) staff(dot)chuh(dot)org>]
>               Sent:   Friday, January 18, 2002 11:34 AM
>               To:     World music from a Jewish slant
>               Subject:        Re: gilded script on the inlay
>               
>               Stuart,
>               
>               lipkowitz (at) aa(dot)edu <mailto:lipkowitz (at) aa(dot)edu> 
> wrote:
>               
> 
>                       I think that they are not only modern catalysts,
> but, rather, the way in
>                       which music and art grows and changes--particularly
> as it crosses
> 
>               borders.
> 
> 
>                       Isn't bluegrass the "failure" of white, southern
> musicians to play Jazz
>                       "correctly."   
>                       
> 
>               I'm not sure I understand you here about bluegrass.  It
> doesn't come 
>               from jazz at all, as far as I know.
>               
> 
>                       Early Western, classical music might be thought of
> as a
>                       botched attempt to reproduce Islamic art music. 
>                       
> 
>               Would you elaborate on this, please?
>               
> 
>                       I'm not suggesting that
>                       anything is permissable.   Art needs stability and
> tradition as well as
>                       innovation.  But the agent of innovation is often
> error.
>                       Stuart
>                       
> 
>                       -----Original Message-----
>                       From:   Seth Austen [ SMTP:klezmusic (at) 
> earthlink(dot)net
> <mailto:SMTP:klezmusic (at) earthlink(dot)net>]
>                       Sent:   Friday, January 18, 2002 10:26 AM
>                       To:     World music from a Jewish slant
>                       Subject:        Re: gilded script on the inlay
>                       
>                       on 1/16/02 11:17 AM, Joshua Horowitz at
> horowitz (at) budowitz(dot)com <mailto:horowitz (at) budowitz(dot)com> wrote:
>                       
> 
>                       Kick me for saying this, but there may be something
> to be said for the
>                       modern agents of change, which include
>                       
>                       mis-remembering verses; mis-learning tunes from
> written rather than
>                       
> 
>                       sound
>                       
> 
>                       sources; mis-interpreting texts and generally
> missing the point.
>                       
>                       All of these are genuine catalysts of change, and
> whether we choose to
>                       accept them as valid or not, they are an inseparable
> part of the modern
>                       musical landscape. And most of the "mis-whatevers"
> were probably
>                       
> 
>                       formerly
>                       
> 
>                       also catalysts for musical change and variance.
> Again, kick me for
>                       
> 
>                       writing
>                       
> 
>                       this Judith. Really.
>                       
> 
>                       Josh,
>                       
>                       This is a great point! I think there are many
> instances where we learn
>                       from
>                       a flawed source. Once people started recording music
> into a three minute
>                       medium of 78's for distribution and sale in a
> commercial marketplace,
> 
>               that
> 
>                       completely changed the tradition as it had
> previously existed. And yet
> 
>               we
> 
>                       all gather around our coveted sound reproduction
> devices, hanging on
> 
>               every
> 
>                       note of these reissues as wisdom handed down from on
> high. As well we
>                       should, I might add. But our sources are not
> accurate resprentations of
>                       what
>                       the music sounded like at a Jewish wedding, or a
> Saturday night house
>                       party
>                       for that matter. They are accurate representations
> of what it sounded
> 
>               like
> 
>                       in a recording studio, with a producer telling them,
> no don't do it that
>                       way, do it this way instead. No, that song of your
> repertoire isn't
> 
>               Jewish
> 
>                       enough, or blues enough...
>                       
>                       Many ethnomusicological recordings can also reflect
> the bias of the
>                       collector. How many collectors didn't record
> something because it didn't
>                       support a point they wished to make?
>                       
>                       OK, you can all kick me too.
>                       
>                       Seth
>                       
>                       -- 
>                       Seth Austen
>                       
>                       <http://www.sethausten.com>
>                       emails:  seth (at) sethausten(dot)com
> <mailto:seth (at) sethausten(dot)com>
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> <mailto:klezmusic (at) earthlink(dot)net>
>                       
>                       
> 
> 
> 
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