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Margot & kol isha
- From: Peter Rushefsky <rushefsky_p...>
- Subject: Margot & kol isha
- Date: Wed 28 Feb 2001 16.24 (GMT)
>From my experience listening to Margot play I think kol isha should be applied
to her clarinet-- it's one of the most heavenly voices I've heard.
Complying with Negiya in Buffalo despite all his efforts,
Pete Rushefsky
>>> TROMBAEDU (at) aol(dot)com 02/28 10:41 AM >>>
In a message dated 2/27/01 3:12:24 PM Eastern Standard Time,
rlcm17 (at) hotmail(dot)com writes:
The reason I would think Margot's posting is "a digression from kol
isha"--and bringing up relevant economic issues is *not* a halakhic
digression, by the way--is that kol isha applies (for better or for worse,
etc., etc.) to women's *voices* and hence to women *singers,* not--so far
as
I know--women instrumentalists like Margot.
At the risk of starting a new war here, I would point out that the reason for
not having women in the band is that the idea of Women performers in public
is considered objectifying, and therefore, not in keeping with traditional
concepts of modesty.
This appears to be less prevalent in Chasidic and Orthodox thinking today, as
Orthodox people are more accustomed to seeing Women in roles that were not
part of the social structure in Europe before the war.
But Margot and others also have to realize that in general, Klezmer has not
really made it in the Orthodox and Chasidic community. It is only now
beginning to attract attention. So an artist like Margot is suffering under
the double whammy of performing music not generally used to any great extent,
yet. If she was interested in performing as a side musician, all she needs to
do is contact one of the big commercial offices like Neginah or Neshoma, and
while I am not sure she would get much play there, for other reasons, she
would be able to get a truer test of the motivation not to use her. Women are
playing violin, harp, and keyboards on Orthodox bands, although I have not
yet seen woman horn players. I don't know why those instruments are seen as
less problematic, but there it is. Personally, I would love to have Margot in
the band, but she has to bring her sax and flute as well. Nowadays, Clarinet
is still struggling to make a comeback.
Jordan
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- Margot & kol isha,
Peter Rushefsky