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Re: What Is Jewish Music? (revisited!)
- From: Robert Cohen <rlcm17...>
- Subject: Re: What Is Jewish Music? (revisited!)
- Date: Sun 26 Dec 1999 18.42 (GMT)
I certainly agree w/ Gideon that questioning "the Jewishness of the
exercise" is not especially productive--nor very predictive of what
amcha/the culture will eventually embrace as Jewish music,
analytical/academic considerations notwithstanding. I would only slightly
modify Gideon's formulation, so far as the downtown/fusion/"Radical" Jewish
music scene is concerned: In some or many of these cases, I think the
musicians involved are "incorporating elements of Jewish music into their
own ["local"] sound," rather than the reverse. Sort of (very loosely) in
the way that, say, Gershwin did, but in a more affirmatively Jewish way.
Whereas much of the music that I more characteristically lecture and,
sometimes, write about (and live with, frankly, though I enjoy some of the
downtown scene's music and am increasingly ... taking it in)--say, the
Fabrangen Fiddlers (as David Shneyer is on this list), Safam, and many
others--are "incorporating elements of the [contemporary/"local"] sound into
their Jewish music." For that matter, so was Shlomo and other niggun
composers in his style: They incorporated an American folk/guitar style and
made it part of their--and, thankfully, our--Jewish music. -- Robert Cohen
>From: GAronoff (at) aol(dot)com
>Reply-To: jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org
>To: World music from a Jewish slant <jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org>
>Subject: Re: What Is Jewish Music? (revisited!)
>Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 11:19:33 EST
>As for Jewish music generally, these musicians are doing something that
>seems
>traditionally Jewish to me. Incorporating elements of the local sound into
>their own Jewish music. This incorporation has happened in the past to
>such
>a degree that we now view many of these incorporations as the purest of
>Jewish expression. The most musically sophisticated on this list can
>certainly tell what is traditional and what is the incorporated musical
>element, but for (I would bet) many on this list and certainly many in the
>audience, a doina is Jewish, period. So why shouldn't an artist like Rick
>Recht incorporate a John Cougar Mellancamp type heartland rock sound into
>his
>Jewish album "Tov." Rick has a career as a rock performer totally separate
>from his Jewish material. But he has made an album - that I don't believe
>could possibly be viewed as anything other than Jewish music - that makes
>heartland rock sound Jewish.
>
>In the end we will appreciate or not appreciate any individual act of
>fusion,
>personal expression, or whatever. But we gain little criticizing the
>Jewishness of the exercise.
>
>Gideon
>
>
>
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