Re: Doinas & taksim

[Robert Cohen <rlcm17...>]

Peter, Paul & Sherry--a new Romanian/Jewish/gypsy group?


>From: "Kame'a Media" <media (at) kamea(dot)com>
>Reply-To: jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org
>To: World music from a Jewish slant <jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org>
>Subject: Re: Doinas & taksim
>Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 17:47:03 -0400
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>Ari Davidow wrote:
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> > At 02:07 PM 7/19/99 -0400, you wrote:
> > >I'm a bit skeptical of Wolf's statements about the use of doinas by E. 
>European
> > >klezmorim.  It is clear that doinas were part of the European klezmer
> > >repertoire
> > >(there are a number of early recorded examples of klezmer doinas from 
>Europe
> > >and
> > >the US).
> >
> > Damn. I have to stop answering these while I'm at work. Over the
> > weekend I was reading someone's thesis (from Harvard, in a non-musical
> > field, mind you) and he was writing about how recording transformed
> > the doina, and the older taksim, which had been played sort of under
> > the badkhn at a wedding. Recordings, especially limited to 3 or 4
> > minutes, entirely changed the context.
> >
> > Very different, yet again, from the post-revival modern context,
> > if so, and perpendicular to the discussion that raised the issue,
> > but thought I would add it into the pot. Will try to get the thesis
> > info when I get home, if someone reminds me.
> >
> > As to the question of what music has what relevance to what sexuality,
> > I'm not entirely sure this is germane to this list, or is going
> > to be answered satisfactorily without serious study. Let us resume our
> > studies (or lack thereof), and should someone feel obligated to report
> > back on clinical observations, perhaps private e-mail to interested
> > parties would work better :-).
>
>I appreciated reading all the erudite postings about <doinas>.Thank you 
>Peter, Paul
>and Sherry.
>I stand corrected regarding my statement that <shtetl klezmorim>
>did not play <doinas>. I did not clearly state which era I was thinking of,
>so my statement was not accurate.
>
>I am having some trouble with this last paragraph of yours, though, Ari.
>
>If I reccollect correctly, my thoughts on sexual rhythms in music garnered, 
>I
>think,
>2 public responses, one from Joshua Horowitz (who made a good joke) and one
>from Lori, which generated 3 more posts, 2 from me and one from Lori.
>
>What is the problem?  Why not just let  the thread peter out on it's
>own like so many other threads that weave their way throiugh this list?
>
>Why would you want to arbitrarily choose to censor this particular 
>discussion?
>Is it not germane to this list to discuss how music makes one FEEL,
>or is it mostly for what people believe they KNOW about music.
>
>Given our history (yours and mine) I  can't help but entertain the the 
>thought that
>
>your attempt to censor "my" discussion is motivated by personal animosity.  
>Is it?
>
>Either that -- or you are one repressed prude, dude.
>
>A list member (in private mail) anticipated this sort of response.
>Who made you the Brain Police; is this a Family Values thing?
>
>Part of the enjoyment of being on this list is that sometimes, due to a 
>stimulating
>or provocative post, people are moved into revealing something real about
>themselves,
>not just their supposed learning.
>
>Wolf Krakowski
>www.kamea.com
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> > ari
> >
> > Ari Davidow
> > ari (at) ivritype(dot)com
> > list owner, jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org
> > the klezmer shack: http://www.klezmershack.com/
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