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Re: Dylan and Alex J. Unplugged
- From: the Cheshire Cat <alanacat...>
- Subject: Re: Dylan and Alex J. Unplugged
- Date: Fri 13 Mar 1998 02.11 (GMT)
STOP! Please. Your constant insults at Ari only make you look bad. For
heaven's sake, have some gratitude for the work Ari does, and stop whining
about your review already.
2. Yes, Alex was properly removed. I would have done the same thing on a
list I moderated. One has to have some standards, and insults certainly
break them.
A. Suskin
On Thu, 12 Mar 1998, Kame'a Media wrote:
> Ari Davidow wrote:
> I don't think one could make the case that
> > Bob Dylan's music is Jewish. =He= is Jewish, his social
> > concerns and outlook may be those that some of us embrace
> > as Jewish (excluding his Christian period), but there is
> > nothing in his music that ties directly to any Jewish
> > tradition beyond the vaguely prophetic.
>
> Ari: I respectfully request that you DO NOT pull the plug on Alex. He
> may be abrasive, but we can learn from him. As you are under the
> impression that you are doing this somewhat on my behalf, I must say
> that what you yourself have posted in cyberspace regarding
> "Transmigrations" is far worse. You took a dump on the memory of the
> Six Million and casually insulted Holocaust survivors and their
> families. You used my CD (in part) as a vehicle to push your own
> personal brand of brass-balls-and-an-Uzi politics.
>
> That said,---
>
> Are you suffering from post-<grogger> stress syndrome?
>
> Dylan puts more Jewishness (honesty, determination and sheer timeless
> poetry) into one song, no--one line, than a hundred
> pine-reproduction furniture-music klezmer bands could in their wildest
> dreams. By your half-baked standards, any clarinet-based band would
> be considered "more Jewish" than Dylan because that instrument is
> more closely tied to (what you call) Jewish musical tradition than
> electric guitar. Preposterous.
>
> You persist in the childish notion that, in order to be Jewish, music
> must wear your preferred syle of musical clothing. Certain sounds
> apparently stimulate your auditory pleasure organs, but you cannot
> muster any real criteria for your pompous utterances. Not everyone
> has had your bourgeois- suburban brand American-Jewish background,
> although you would apparently like that to be so, because you seem to
> have a great prejudice (rooted in fear, no doubt) against those who do
> not reflect your idealized Jewish image.
>
> I have come to know you to be an insecure person, threatened by
> non-comformity, both in music and in people's personal styles, as was
> made all too clear in the meat-cutting exercise you call a <review> of
> "Transmigrations".
>
> How many times have you revised this <review> by now to cover your
> tracks regarding the most obviously ridiculous stuff? And I know
> this has only been done because I had the lack of etiquette to
> actually challenge you. Am I supposed to feel good about "Marlboro
> Man" being replaced with "strong, silent type". You'll have to
> enlighten me as to how a guy who sings on every track of his CD can be
> characterized as "silent".
>
> Have you come to see the presumptuousness of attempting to review a
> Yiddish album when you do not speak the language, let alone possess
> any musical or academic qualifications to do so, save being a fan?
>
> Your reviews, even of the bands and singers you like, are painfully
> lacking in subststance. (Brown-nosing is of itself, not considered
> to be a valid and dominant theme to a review by most competant music
> journalists).
> Example: On Adrienne Cooper's album, one song is referred to as "the
> transcendent 'Zol Shoyn Kumen Di Geule'. " On "Transmigrations", the
> very same composition is disparaged as a "victim's song of
> redemption." I'd love to have that explained to me.
>
> Do us a favor and stick to compiling resources and such. We all
> appreciate the work you put into that. And, <Borukh HaShem>, you are
> good at it! Skill with computers alone cannot make one a Jewish music
> <maven>.
>
> You continue to prove yourself the Pavlov's Dog of Jewish Music
> "writers",
> giddily wagging your <shvantz> at those whose sound resonates with
> you and, pissing on those you do not have either the depth or mental
> energy to try and understand.
>
> Wolf Krakowski
> http://www.kamea.com
>
> "...the embodiment of Old World meets New."
> -Pakn-Treger
> (National Yiddish Book Center)
>
> "...dangerous and untrue."
> -Ari
> Davidow's Klezmer Shack
>
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