[HANASHIR:11661] Re: point of information

[Sharon Steinberg <cantorshar...>]

Dear all,

quoting from the Idelsohn book "Jewish Music" page 238

Hirsch Goldberg...served there (Seesen) until 1842 and was then appointed 
chazzan in Brunswick...together with Julius Freudenthal, Dukal musician, he 
modernized the Synagogue song and published in 1843 a collection of songs for 
solo and small choir in two parts.  To this songster Freudenthal contributed 
several tunes and, especially his famous tune for En Kelohenu, which he had 
composed in 1841.  e has the typical German melodic line, and in its first part 
resembles a German melody of 1774 (Grosser Gott wir loben dich, Herr wir 
preisen deine starke....)., which was reworked in 1819 and in 1844 and 
published in 1844.   
  
I understand that some of Idelsohn's research is questionable because of bias, 
but this is probably an accurate summation of the origin of the song in 
question.

Sharon Steinberg
----- Original Message -----
From: erik contzius
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 2:18 PM
To: hanashir (at) shamash(dot)org
Subject: [HANASHIR:11659] point of information
  
> The popular "Ein
> Keloheinu" is, alas, a German drinking song....

Actually, it's not a drinking song... wish i had a
dime for every time i hear that said. it is attributed
to Freudenthal, and until i see some real scholarship
to prove otherwise, i'm stickin' to it. why? because
there are other through composed hymns written in
europe for the synagogue which are in the same style.
if i had some clear, ethomusicological evidence that
this indeed was a drinking song, and thus a folksong
without attribution, found and/or notated with other
words, i'd buy it.

But it's never listed as, "trad." or "folk"... it's
listed as "Freudenthal." don't forget the composers!
although the "trad" shema is a viennese waltz, it was
still written by sulzer.

erik


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