Mail Archive sponsored by
Chazzanut Online
hanashir
[HANASHIR:10899] Re: Adon Olam to Rock Around the Clock
- From: Freedabet <Freedabet...>
- Subject: [HANASHIR:10899] Re: Adon Olam to Rock Around the Clock
- Date: Tue 12 Feb 2002 07.50 (GMT)
Well, Adon Olam IS at the beginning of the service, in Shacharit. And how
much attention does it get there? (at least in Reform and Conservative --
none)
There ARE beautiful melodies for Adon Olam, but are they used? Not in the
Congregations I've davened with.
I'll defend the use of Rock Around the Clock/It's a Small World etc. and/or
of the Bar/Bat Mitzvah getting to pick a melody used on one basis -- as a
tool to get an otherwise assimilated 12-13 year-old crowd more interested and
involved through the end of the service. I think part of the fun for them is
that it IS such a contrast to the hours of beautiful, meaningful text,
melodies and nusach that have gone before.
By the way, the B/Mitzvah also got to choose a L'dor Vador tune at the end if
they davened Shacharit (they usually chose Zim).
Michael
-------- REPLY, Original message follows --------
> Date: Monday, 11-Feb-02 10:47 PM
>
> From: Shirona \ Internet: (shirona (at)
> bellatlantic(dot)net)
> To: Hanashir Mail Server \ Internet: (hanashir (at) shamash(dot)org)
>
> Subject: [HANASHIR:10897] Re: Adon Olam to Rock Around the Clock
>
> Sender: owner-hanashir (at) shamash(dot)org
> Reply-to: hanashir (at) shamash(dot)org
> To: hanashir (at) shamash(dot)org
> Chas V'chalila we shouldn't have a "nusach police" - but I still think that
we
> should, as "kol Yisrael arevim ze laze" (all of Israel are accountable for
one
> another) - discuss appropriateness.
>
> One of the guiding principals in my musical career has been the relationship
> between text and music. There IS a relationship, whether one is conscious
of it
> or not, and just like in human relationships - occupy the full spectrum from
> the sublime to the ridiculous. My particular view can be compared to that
of a
> filmmaker, who is trying to tell a story, and everything in the production
is
> geared towards telling that story in the best possible way, with a vision
and a
> point of view. When all the parts work together and enhance each other, and
you
> have a good story to tell - well then - you have a work of art that will
last
> through time, and continue to deliver it's message.
>
> If you (whoever!) were making a documentary film about the creation of the
> Universe, even if it was "pure science" - with no mention of G-d...would you
> use a tune like "Rock around the clock" as background music? Probably
not...
> But why not? "Artistic" decisions have no absolute right or wrongs, but -
> "hamevin yavin". (If you get it, you get it). You can argue forever
whether
> something is in "good taste" or in "bad taste" - and sometimes there is no
> taste at all. Just bland nothingness. I know plenty of Synagogue music that
> falls into that category.
>
> Why should the process of matching a tune with existing lyrics be
different?
> The words say something...they mean something. Shouldn't we concern
ourselves
> with that meaning? My point is that the musicians among us need to be extra
> sensitive. Anyone can take an existing poem and match it up with some silly
> ditty. Is this what we want to give people as "tools" for worship?
>
> I don't know. I feel sorry for Adon Olam. It got stuck at the end of the
> service, and thus thrown to the dogs. Perhaps if it were right in the
middle of
> the Amida ( so Rachel - would it then be OK to ponder the "unknowable,
> indefinable aspects of the Creator", or would it still be "too much" for the
> Jews...;-) - then it would "get more respect". Maybe it's a matter of
> "placement status", like rank, or real-estate. (location is everything). We
> wouldn't dream of saying the Sh'ma to the tune of Rock & Roll, right? Why
not?
> (G-d is our "Rock", and we worship him "around the clock").
>
> All I'm saying here is that Adon Olam happens to be one of the most
magnificent
> poems ever written about G-d, and that it should be treated with dignity and
> respect, and not be considered a "free-for-all-do-whatever-you-want-with-it"
> afterthought. And it's just my opinion.
>
> Please don't take me too seriously...only Adon Olam. Toda Raba!
>
> Shirona
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> Singer, Songwriter and Teacher of Jewish Music
> Visit my website at www.shirona.com
> Listen to my music at www.mp3.com/shirona
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: WINSTON WEILHEIMER
> To: listhanashir
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 6:16 PM
> Subject: [HANASHIR:10894] Re: Adon Olam to Rock Around the Clock
>
>
> This is not a criticism of Shirona's position, but Adon Olam, like licha
dodi
> has many different melodies set to it. On the Nusach Internet Radio
Network, I
> have dedicated shows to the different versions and filled the hour with much
> music to spare. Beat achon has an "under the boardwalk", safam "blue moon"
and
> i sing it sometimes to "its a small world"
>
> Of course you have to be aware of the setting and the appropriateness of
the
> version you are singing. I would not use it for the high holidays,
preferring
> to use the more traditional versions. But who is to say (except by local
> minhag) what is ok and what is not....I use craig taubman's licha dodi in
one
> congregation and it was well accepted,,,,when i used it in another, the
stony
> looks could have frozen me to the bone.
>
> Let's not get too caught up in "what is proper." Shirona's Yigdal is
> beautiful and i love to play it on the air, but its not THE traditional
melody
> for it. Let's not limit creativity by becoming the nusach police!
>
> There is a time and a place...
>
> btw...I kind of like the interpretation of God being our rock and we
praise
> him around the clock!
>
> rabbi winston weilheimer
> host/owner
> THE NUSACH INTERNET RADIO NETWORK
> NUSACH....the ORIGINAL JEWISH SOUL MUSIC!
> http://www.angelfire.com/art2/nusach
>
>
>
>
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download :
http://explorer.msn.com
>
>
>
>
> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
> <HTML><HEAD>
> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">
> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2712.300" name=GENERATOR>
> <STYLE></STYLE>
> </HEAD>
> <BODY
> style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; BORDER-TOP: medium none; FONT: 10pt
verdana;
> BORDER-LEFT: medium none; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"
> bgColor=#ffffff>
> <DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>Chas V'chalila we shouldn't have a
> "nusach police" - but I still think that we should, as "kol Yisrael arevim
ze
> laze" (all of Israel are accountable for one another) - discuss
> appropriateness.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>One of the guiding principals in
my
> musical career has been the relationship between text and music. There IS
> a
> relationship, whether one is conscious of it or not, and just like in human
> relationships - occupy the full spectrum from the sublime to the
> ridiculous. My particular view can be compared to that of a filmmaker, who
> is trying to tell a story, and everything in the production is geared
towards
> telling that story in the best possible way, with a vision and a point of
view.
> When all the parts work together and enhance each other, and you have a
good
> story to tell - well then - you have a work of art that will last through
time,
> and continue to deliver it's message.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>If you (whoever!) were
> making a documentary film about the creation of the Universe, even if it
> was "pure science" - with no mention of G-d...would you use a tune like
> "Rock around the clock" as background music? Probably not... But
> <EM>why </EM>not? "Artistic" decisions have no absolute right
> or
> wrongs, but - "hamevin yavin". (If you get it, you get
> it). You can argue forever whether something is in "good taste" or in
> "bad
> taste" - and sometimes there is no taste at all. Just bland nothingness. I
know
> plenty of Synagogue music that falls into <EM>that</EM>
category.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3></FONT><FONT face="Times New
Roman"
> size=3></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>Why should the process of
> matching
> a tune with existing lyrics be different? The words <EM>say</EM>
> something...they <EM>mean</EM> something. Shouldn't we concern ourselves
> with that meaning? My point is that the musicians among us need to be
> extra sensitive. Anyone can take an existing poem and match it up with
> some silly ditty. Is this what we want to give people as "tools" for
> worship?</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>I don't know. I feel sorry for
> Adon Olam. It got stuck at the end of the service, and thus thrown to the
dogs.
> Perhaps if it were right in the middle of the Amida ( so Rachel - would
> it
> then be OK to ponder the "unknowable, indefinable aspects of the Creator",
or
> would it still be "too much" for the Jews...;-) - then it would "get more
> respect". Maybe it's a matter of "placement status", like rank, or
> real-estate. (location is everything). We wouldn't dream of saying the
> Sh'ma to the tune of Rock & Roll, right? Why not? (G-d is our
> "Rock", and we worship him "around the clock").</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>All I'm saying here is that Adon
Olam
> happens to be one of the most magnificent poems ever written about G-d,
> and
> that it should be treated with dignity and respect, and not be considered a
> "free-for-all-do-whatever-you-want-with-it" afterthought. And it's just my
> opinion.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>Please don't take <EM>me</EM> too
> seriously...only Adon Olam. Toda Raba!</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>Shirona</FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV>* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> <BR>Singer, Songwriter and Teacher of Jewish Music<BR> Visit my website
> at <A
> href="http://www.shirona.com";>www.shirona.com</A><BR>Listen to my music at
<A
> href="http://www.mp3.com/shirona";>www.mp3.com/shirona</A><BR>* * * * * * *
* *
> *
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *<BR></DIV>
> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr
> style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT:
> #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
> <DIV
> style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color:
black"><B>From:</B>
> <A title=nusach (at) hotmail(dot)com href="mailto:nusach (at)
> hotmail(dot)com">WINSTON
> WEILHEIMER</A> </DIV>
> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=hanashir (at)
> shamash(dot)org
> href="mailto:hanashir (at) shamash(dot)org">listhanashir</A> </DIV>
> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, February 11, 2002 6:16
> PM</DIV>
> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [HANASHIR:10894] Re: Adon
Olam
> to Rock Around the Clock</DIV>
> <DIV><BR></DIV>
> <DIV>This is not a criticism of Shirona's position, but Adon Olam, like
licha
> dodi has many different melodies set to it. On the Nusach Internet
> Radio
> Network, I have dedicated shows to the different versions and filled the
hour
> with much music to spare. Beat achon has an "under the boardwalk",
> safam
> "blue moon" and i sing it sometimes to "its a small world" </DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV>Of course you have to be aware of the setting and the
appropriateness of
> the version you are singing. I would not use it for the high holidays,
> preferring to use the more traditional versions. But who is to say
> (except by local minhag) what is ok and what is not....I use craig
taubman's
> licha dodi in one congregation and it was well accepted,,,,when i used it
in
> another, the stony looks could have frozen me to the bone. </DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV>Let's not get too caught up in "what is proper." Shirona's Yigdal
> is beautiful and i love to play it on the air, but its not THE
traditional
> melody for it. Let's not limit creativity by becoming the nusach
> police!
> </DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV>There is a time and a place...</DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV>btw...I kind of like the interpretation of God being our rock and we
> praise him around the clock!</DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV>rabbi winston weilheimer</DIV>
> <DIV>host/owner</DIV>
> <DIV>THE NUSACH INTERNET RADIO NETWORK</DIV>
> <DIV>NUSACH....the ORIGINAL JEWISH SOUL MUSIC!</DIV>
> <DIV>http://www.angelfire.com/art2/nusach</DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV><BR clear=all>
> <HR>
> Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : <A
> href="http://explorer.msn.com";>http://explorer.msn.com</A><BR>
> <P></P></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
>
>
-------- REPLY, End of original message --------
------------------------ hanashir (at) shamash(dot)org -----------------------+
- [HANASHIR:10899] Re: Adon Olam to Rock Around the Clock,
Freedabet