[HANASHIR:8262] A woman's place

[Richard Glauber <richglauber...>]

I think Eric and Adrian have made some very strong
arguments......   However, they both chose to use the
same analogy, that of musical instruments on shabbat
to make their points.  I don't think the analogy holds
up.  

Because choosing to play instruments at a particular
time is about what a person DOES.  Kol isha is a
prohibition based on what a person IS.... 

When black people weren't allowed to eat in the diner,
it was because of who they WERE, not what they did. I
think this analogy is closer to the truth of the
present discussion.  Women are treated as the "other",
 the outsider, the Jezebel, and it's not based on
anything they do.  It just is.  

So there is a whole level of injustice, hurt feelings,
and basic "humanness" that is IGNORED by equating it
with prohibitions about instruments on shabbat.  The
point is valid, but it's missing the point.

Do orthodox communities have the right to worship and
celebrate how they want?   Of course they do!  Do I
want to be associated with that style of Jewish
practice?  Of course not!  Are there places for
rigteous women to sing their hearts out and share
their gifts.  Yes!

Rich Glauber 

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