[HANASHIR:5958] Re: Tape Recording at Hava Nashira

[Judy Ginsburgh <jerd...>]

Judah,

I in no way meant to point a finger at you.  In fact, I recall a while back
that someone else brought this up on the list (so I did not open the can of
worms) and you defended yourself to the list at this time saying that you
had turned over the tapes to those in charge of Hava Nashira.  I fully
understand that you are not to blame.  The promise of the audio tapes was
never made by you.  This is why I did not contact you privately.  I already
knew from a previous post that it was out of your hands.  But the promise
was made by those at OSRUI and none of us have seen (or been able to
purchase) copies of those tapes.

I am so sorry that I offended you because I know you did this as a favor and
you spent a great deal of your time at Hava Nashira making sure these tapes
were done. Please accept my public apologies in the sincerest sense.  We all
learn from you and are grateful that you are so willing to share your
knowledge with us.  I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry!!!!

And no reflection on you --- I still think it was wrong for all of us to be
asked not to record on the promise that the music would be provided to us.
This was not right.

I hope that some update on this can be provided for those of us who
attended.

Judy Caplan Ginsburgh, award winning singer/music specialist
(jerd (at) centurytel(dot)net)
http://www.jewishentertainment.net/judy
Director:  Jewish Entertainment Resources -- we help you find Jewish talent!
http://www.jewishentertainment.net
Louisiana Professional Artist of the Year!
Past Conference Chair:  23rd Conference on Alternatives in Jewish Education
(CAJE)
http://www.caje.org
Member: Children's Music Web --  http://www.childrensmusic.org
----- Original Message -----
From: Judah Cohen <jcohen (at) fas(dot)harvard(dot)edu>
To: <hanashir (at) shamash(dot)org>
Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2000 11:21 AM
Subject: [HANASHIR:5957] Re: Tape Recording at Hava Nashira


> Dear Judy,
>
>         While I had hoped to keep this kind of discussion off the list,
> your note is forcing me to bring it up publicly.  As the person who
> made the recordings and the videotape you mentioned, I feel it is now my
> responsibility to respond to accusations which it seems are at least in
> part aimed at me.
>         1.  I made the Hava NaShira service recordings (at the request of
> the HN organizers),
> edited them down, and sent them to OSRUI *in early July, 1999* with
> suggestions on how to
> transfer them to reproduceable media.  I am sure they were received (I
> sent the tapes certified mail, and received written confirmation of
> their receipt).  I know nothing of
> what happened to the tapes after that.  I want to make it clear on this
> score that I did everything I said I would do in the time frame I said I
> would do it.
>         2.  As to the videotape of the masterclass session:  That was
> something I made as a *private* recording for research purposes, having
> nothing to do with the Hava NaShira leadership.  You needed to come to
*me*
> for a copy of that tape.  I must be honest here that I remember making no
> promise to copy and distribute the entire videotape to all the
participants
> in that session.  The agreement at the start of the session was simply
(and
> clearly) to obtain permission to videotape--*not* to distribute it.  I
will
> check this tape and see exactly what I said;  however, at the most I
recall
> saying that I could send you your own segments of the videotape.
Moreover,
> if I did make the promise and forgot (an easy thing to do in the context
of
> the intense atmosphere there), why didn't you remind me after the
conference
> so I could do something about it?
>
>     As an academic, I want to make it clear on this list that I believe I
> have held up my word to those who were at Hava NaShira.  Ethics and the
> ability to uphold them are of primary concern to me, especially because
they
> directly influence the usefulness and success of my research.
>     I write this back to the whole list because I was the most visible
> person making recordings at last year's Hava NaShira.  I want to make it
> clear that to the best of my knowledge, I acted ethically and promptly.
>     Judy, your words have the potential to damage me and my reputation
> unjustifiably--whether or not you intended to do this.  I ask that you
> please be more careful in posting your frustrations to the list.
>
> Judah.
>
> ----------
> >From: "Judy Ginsburgh" <jerd (at) centurytel(dot)net>
> >To: <hanashir (at) shamash(dot)org>
> >Subject: [HANASHIR:5956] Re: Tape Recording at Hava Nashira
> >Date: Sun, May 7, 2000, 10:55 PM
> >
>
> > Lisa,
> >
> > Great idea to have a convention company tape the sessions and sell them
like
> > at the Biennial, but this is easier said than done.  I actually looked
into
> > this service for CAJE a few years ago.  These companies are not
interested
> > in doing small things.  In fact, they have to be guaranteed a mimimum of
> > sales or they will not even consider the job.  It was more than CAJE
wanted
> > to be responsible for and Hava Nashira is much smaller.
> >
> > It is a shame that many of us followed the rules last year at Hava
Nashira
> > by not taping when we were told not to.  We were told that a master tape
was
> > being made and that we would all have the chance to obtain it.  So, we
> > listened and waited.......... It has been a year and none of us have
tapes
> > of much of the beautiful, interesting and new service music.  I know
> > recordings were made, but where are they?  This is really not fair and I
am
> > sure more of us will be punching that record button on our own machines
more
> > often this year.  I also participated in a sharing session that was
video
> > taped with the consent of all participants and we were promised a copy
of
> > the video for our cooperation.  I have never seen that either.  This is
not
> > very ethical practice.  If help is needed to get these tapes duped, etc.
> > then why not ask for help.  There are many on this list who could easily
> > make that happen and everyone would be happy and promises would be kept.
> >
> > Judy :)
> >
> > Judy Caplan Ginsburgh, award winning singer/music specialist
> > (jerd (at) centurytel(dot)net)
> > http://www.jewishentertainment.net/judy
> > Director:  Jewish Entertainment Resources -- we help you find Jewish
talent!
> > http://www.jewishentertainment.net
> > Louisiana Professional Artist of the Year!
> > Past Conference Chair:  23rd Conference on Alternatives in Jewish
Education
> > (CAJE)
> > http://www.caje.org
> > Member: Children's Music Web --  http://www.childrensmusic.org
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <LisaSegal (at) aol(dot)com>
> > To: <hanashir (at) shamash(dot)org>
> > Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2000 8:09 AM
> > Subject: [HANASHIR:5954] Re: Tape Recording at Hava Nashira
> >
> >
> >> Why don't you hire a company like Convention Cassettes tape the
sessions
> > and
> >> services professionally and then sell them at the end like our
Bienniels?
> >> That certainly makes a whole lot more sense.  Also people like me who
are
> >> unable to attend because day schools are not yet out can purchase as
well
> > if
> >> you make them available.
> >> Just my two cents for whatever it's worth.
> >> Lisa Segal
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>

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