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- From: Yoel Epstein <yoel...>
- Subject: Format of messages
- Date: Tue 20 Jan 2004 06.46 (GMT)
Those of us who receive mail from this list in digest format get a lot of
garbage. I am appending an example of what one of these messages looks like
so you can all see how awful it is.
The reason this happens is that some of you unwittingly send messages in
HTML format rather than as plain text. When these HTML-style messages get
into the digest, they turn into HTML soup.
If you use Hotmail, you can turn off HTML formatting by selecting "Rich-text
Editing OFF" on the Tools menu of the compose message window. I would send
you a picture of this, but attachments are not allowed on this list, so you
will have to do some figuring by yourself.
If you use Yahoo Mail, click on the word "Plain" that appears after the word
"Compose" in the Compose Message window.
If you use Outlook, select "Plain Text" from the Format menu.
If you use AOL, I don't know what you have to do to turn off HTML
formatting. Perhaps one of you erudite AOL users can enlighten us.
Now, as I promised, here is what Trudi's last scintillating post looks like,
after being ground into dust by HTML coding:
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From: "Trudi Goodman" <goobietheg (at) hotmail(dot)com>
To: World music from a Jewish slant <jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org>
Subject: Re: Kol Isha
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 08:17:52 +0000
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/html
Message-ID: <BAY1-F98IClmpcQABZT0000033f (at) hotmail(dot)com>
<html><div style='background-color:'><DIV class=RTE>
<P>Dear Jordan:</P>
<P>I love being Jewish. I believe that HaShem gave me a heart and mind
and talent and the ability and the perserverance to use it. Am I
offensive... nishts. Am I passionate? I certainly hope so. If you believe
that halachically or otherwise that women are treated fairly through these
kinds of restrictions on movement and thought...I suggest you come back as a
Jewish woman and see if you enjoy this kind of thing. Is this enough
now? Anybody who knows me, knows that I have a good heart and a
generous spirit. Believe whatever you want...I fully intend on believing
just what I want. And ahemmm since when is the idea that HaShem loves
everyone and encourages and grants creativity offensive??? With tongue
firmly planted in cheek I suggest that you have your rachmones(empathy)
meter check...clearly the batteries are running low.</P>
<P>Shalom,</P>
<P>Trudi</P>
<P> </P>
<P><BR><BR> </P></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>From: Jordan Hirsch <TROMBAEDU (at) EARTHLINK(dot)NET>
<DIV></DIV>>Reply-To: jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org
<DIV></DIV>>To: World music from a Jewish slant
<JEWISH-MUSIC (at) SHAMASH(dot)ORG>
<DIV></DIV>>Subject: Re: Kol Isha
<DIV></DIV>>Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 20:21:07 -0500
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>I agree that the rules are more fluid than some might admit.
what was
<DIV></DIV>>offensive about Trudi's post was not the passion, which is
certainly not
<DIV></DIV>>mine to judge, but the suggestion that there is something
inherently
<DIV></DIV>>illegitimate about Rabbinic tradition that does not have the
backing of a
<DIV></DIV>>specific divine revelation. That flies in the face of what to
the longest
<DIV></DIV>>standing community of Ashkenazic Jews is a basic tenet,
namely the right of
<DIV></DIV>>Rabbis to interpret the Torah, even at the risk of
misunderstanding of God's
<DIV></DIV>>intention.
<DIV></DIV>>That does not mean that think Trudi is mean spirited, only
that she
<DIV></DIV>>expressed an argument that only only be characterized as
such.
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>Jordan
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>TTova wrote:
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>> > Not mean spirited..... perhaps just fiercely
passionate.
<DIV></DIV>> > not sure what would offend you in Trudi's POV
<DIV></DIV>> > This is a such a struggle for many of us.
<DIV></DIV>> > To have our mothers fight so hard to be treated with
respect and
<DIV></DIV>> > equality and yet to have this sexist attitude prevail
is scary.
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> > I met a chassid in Paris who after learning what I did
informed me he
<DIV></DIV>> > would get 200 yiddish speaking jews out to hear me
sing...
<DIV></DIV>> > I said " but of course you won't come yourself"?
<DIV></DIV>> > he then smiled and said he would do whatever he felt
like doing.... and
<DIV></DIV>> > if he wanted to hear a woman sing he would,
<DIV></DIV>> > At Ashkenaz, my husband told me that at the back of the
crowd of almost
<DIV></DIV>> > 5000 there was a religious man with tsitses shucking
and jiving to my
<DIV></DIV>> > Yiddish rendition of Los es Shnayen, Los es Shnayen,
Los es Shnayen.
<DIV></DIV>> > So I suppose as in most living traditions which must
grow with the
<DIV></DIV>> > times there are no hard and fast rules?....
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> > http://www.theresatova.com
<DIV></DIV>> > On Jan 18, 2004, at 10:19 AM, Jordan Hirsch wrote:
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> > > Ari,
<DIV></DIV>> > > I think this is one of those mean spirited posts
over which you were
<DIV></DIV>> > > concerned.
<DIV></DIV>> > > I am deeply offended that it made it to the list.
<DIV></DIV>> > >
<DIV></DIV>> > > Jordan
<DIV></DIV>> > >
<DIV></DIV>> > >
<DIV></DIV>> > > Trudi Goodman wrote:
<DIV></DIV>> > >
<DIV></DIV>> > >>
<DIV></DIV>> > >>
<DIV></DIV>> > >> Here's the deal and here's the dance. As a
woman performer I refuse to
<DIV></DIV>> > >> abide by Kol Isha. I consider it a man-made
law and not a G-d made
<DIV></DIV>> > >> law. When people, particularly men, who have a
vested interest in
<DIV></DIV>> > >> wanting to keep women in their place
religiously and culturally start
<DIV></DIV>> > >> siting law to substantiate their views...well
all I can say is there
<DIV></DIV>> > >> isn't any reason why people should put up with
it.
<DIV></DIV>> > >>
<DIV></DIV>> > >> If you can show me that HaShem doesn't want
women to sing around men
<DIV></DIV>> > >> and male children. That HaShem has
actually leaned into your ear and
<DIV></DIV>> > >> told you that for an absolute fact...then I'll
listen.
<DIV></DIV>> > >>
<DIV></DIV>> > >> Otherwise, it's just
speculation. And I refuse to believe that HaShem
<DIV></DIV>> > >> would want half of society to not fulfill
themselves creatively and
<DIV></DIV>> > >> personally in any setting. HaShem
is all about love NOT
<DIV></DIV>> > >> narrow-mindedness.
<DIV></DIV>> > >>
<DIV></DIV>> > >> I grew up around Orthodoxy and
Chassidism...when there is a woman
<DIV></DIV>> > >> rabbi and/or cantor in those reigious
traditions then I'll actually
<DIV></DIV>> > >> feel like I want to listen to this type of
woman-hating. woman
<DIV></DIV>> > >> adversation behavior masquerading as religious
thought. And address
<DIV></DIV>> > >> it!
<DIV></DIV>> > >>
<DIV></DIV>> > >> Hey if the men don' like the women's voices
WHY DON'T THEY GET UP AND
<DIV></DIV>> > >> LEAVE???
<DIV></DIV>> > >>
<DIV></DIV>> > >> Darned presumptious to think that a woman
OUGHT to!
<DIV></DIV>> > >>
<DIV></DIV>> > >> Hey, there's a reason why some people, myself
included stopped
<DIV></DIV>> > >> addressing the Kol Isha issue on this
list...it's not my experience
<DIV></DIV>> > >> that this issue will be resolved. It hasn't
been in the Jewish
<DIV></DIV>> > >> community, specifically or at large.
<DIV></DIV>> > >>
<DIV></DIV>> > >> Shalom,
<DIV></DIV>> > >>
<DIV></DIV>> > >> Trudi Goodman
<DIV></DIV>> > >>
<DIV></DIV>> > >>
<DIV></DIV>> > >>
<DIV></DIV>> >
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<DIV></DIV>> > >
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>>
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