Re: Ipcha Mistabra?

[Robert Cohen <rlcm17...>]

Huh?  What in the world does "Ipcha Mistabra" mean?  I don't have an Aramaic 
dictionary, and don't need the game-playing anyway.

As it happens, btw, I've written on borrowing melodies in Jewish music and 
give lectures on it--and on borrowing melodies in folk music generally.  And 
I collect zillions of examples on it.  So I may have something to say on 
this thread, or may not (I already have, of course--in fact, I may have 
helped incite this thread, I guess)--and if you make clear what you would 
like me to respond to--or how you expect me to respond?--maybe I will.

--Robert Cohen



> >>      ----- Original Message -----
> >>      From:shirona
> >>      To: World music from a Jewish slant
> >>      Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 4:04 PM
> >>      Subject: Is "Hatikvah" Jewish?


> >>       A few years ago I attended a seminar on the origins of
> >>      "Jewish Music", and one of the examples studied was our
> >>      very own Hatikvah.  Most people think that the melody was
> >>      taken from Smetana's "Moldava" - which already implies
> >>      that it was "shnorered" from another (non Jewish...)
> >>      source.  However - according to some musicologists, the
> >>      melody for Hatikvah can be traced to a Romanian
> >>      horse-and-buggy song. The same tune that might have
> >>      influenced Smetana...  But either way - our own National
> >>      Anthem is not Jewish.  So what kind of excuses do we need
> >>      to come up with to justify this? How can we make any
> >>      claims at all - on what Jewish music is or isn't?
> >>      Wandering for two thousand years - we "shnorered" from
> >>      whatever culture we lived with at the time, mixed it with
> >>      what we already had, moved to other countries - and the
> >>      process goes on and on.  If anything - we were probably
> >>      the most effective proponents of "cultural
> >>      cross-pollination" around. But what difference does all
> >>      this make?  Does it really matter if the music we use was
> >>      genuinely "created" by "us", or somehow borrowed,
> >>      intentionally or unintentionally, from another source? Is
> >>      it important to hang on to those definitions?  Music is
> >>      music...  Traditions, taste and styles change and evolve
> >>      with time. OK Robert... I'm now waiting for your "Ipcha
> >>      Mistabra" response.  If you don't know what that means -
> >>      it's in Aramaic.  Look it up. Shirona - - - - - - - - - -

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