Re: What's Negiya

[George Robinson <GRComm...>]

What has no relevance in Buffalo? Negiya? Ignorance? Apologies?

I don't know about the first, but based on my one frostbite-ridden
evening Buffalo, I can't help but think that the latter two definitely
do.

I'd tell about my one and so far only trip to Buffalo but it's so far
off-topic that you'd all kill me. (And it's not a good enough story to
justify the excursion off-topic.)

George (Clueless in Buffalo) Robinson


Reyzl Kalifowicz-Waletzky wrote:
> 
> I am sorry that I forgot to define it.  I forgot to do that.  Please don't 
> apologize for your ignorance.  It has no relevance in Buffalo :).
> 
> Negiya refers to rules and regulations of men and women touching each other 
> when they are not married or are in public.
> 
> Reyzl
> 
> ----------
> From:  Peter Rushefsky [SMTP:rushefsky_p (at) univerahealthcare(dot)org]
> Sent:  Friday, February 23, 2001 5:20 PM
> To:  World music from a Jewish slant
> Subject:  What's Negiya
> 
> Sorry for my ignorance, but what's negiya mean?  Is it the same as the Kol 
> Isha
> issue?
> 
> >>> Reyzl Kalifowicz-Waletzky 02/23 5:53 AM >>>
> ***ALL*** Orthodox shuls around the world, except probably Carlbach's shul
> in NYC, only because of his daughter Neshama insistance that her singing
> transcends kol isha issues.  But I don't know how they work it out there or
> at the Brooklyn Carlbach shul.  Shlomo prepared his congregation to look
> beyond this issue, probably knowing that his daughter would want to sing.
>  But then we have to remember that Lubavitch broke off relations with him,
> because he didn't keep to the rules of negiya.  The whole issue of negiya
> and Shlomo Carlbach is a very important issue and very relevant to this
> list, but no time now for it.
> 
> Thanks ladies for the public and private messages to me, but I am not
> really back yet.  Gotta get some important things taken care of first.
> 
> Reyzl
> 
> ----------
> From:  wiener (at) mindspring(dot)com [SMTP:wiener (at) mindspring(dot)com]
> Sent:  Friday, February 23, 2001 12:38 AM
> To:  World music from a Jewish slant
> Subject:  Re: Healing: Action
> 
> Trudi the G,
> 
> Are you suggesting a boycott?
> 
> A while back I asked Jordan what action he would recommend for those
> who want to change the position Jews who favor the prohibition of
> hearing Kol Isha.  I wonder if he would have suggested boycotts.
> 
> In any case, how does one know "events/places that have [observe a
> prohibition against] Kol Isha"?  Is it so at all Orthodox shuls?
> Where else? Are there telltale hints?  Is there a list?  Do you
> propose that there be one?  Or that we ask anyone who announces a
> program at such a place to identify it as such a place?
> 
> Bob
> 
> P.S. How did we get from healing to action anyway?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Trudi Goodman <goobietheg (at) hotmail(dot)com>
> To: World music from a Jewish slant <jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org>
> Date: Thursday, February 22, 2001 3:32 PM
> Subject: Re: Healing
> 
> >   Shirona:
> >    It's not that many people on this List, don't know about what
> your
> >issues are with Kol Isha. I'm sorry that you didn't get the response
> you
> >wanted. The best way that I can put it is this: my father(bHsoHso)
> Chenik
> >Zelig would say that if you put 12 Jews in a room you are going to
> get AT
> >LEAST 14 different opinions. As a woman I am not happy(an
> understatement)
> >with Kol Isha, sheitels or any of that other stuff. But I will not
> tell
> >other Jews how to live(there are enough Gentiles wandering around
> these
> >days, trying to do just that). Yes, these proscriptions teach women
> (and
> >men) to hate their bodies and creative impulses...that's my opinion,
> too.
> >But that's my opinion. So, as I suggested earlier in the week: don't
> >patronize events/places that have Kol Isha. And raise heck just as
> you are
> >doing. I'd be happy to discuss this off list with you, but(and it's a
> big
> >BUT) some people are just not going to "get" why you are mad about
> this, or
> >want to do something about it. I'm happy to help anyone who wants to
> do
> >something about it(it's pissed me off for years). I just don't expect
> >everyone to want to. Sad as that is. But hey, some Jews would not
> view that
> >as "sad"...and they have a RIGHT TO. Whether you or I like it or not.
> And I
> >will stand up for these Jewish chaverim's rights to disagree with
> anyone and
> >everyone. My bottom line is I love Jews...and it's like family: you
> may not
> >always(understatement)agree with them. You may fight with them at
> times. You
> >may not always like them...but you LOVE them.
> >On that note:
> >Shalom,Love and lots of great stuff,
> >   Trudi the G
> >
> >
> >
> >>From: "shirona" <shirona (at) bellatlantic(dot)net>
> >>Reply-To: jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org
> >>To: World music from a Jewish slant <jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org>
> >>Subject: Healing
> >>Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 22:26:23 -0800
> >>
> >>As the debate rages on - concerning the Kol Isha Ervah issue, I'm
> still
> >>surprised, and disappointed, that so few people  focus on the
> fundamental
> >>premise of the problem.  In medicine, and in psychology, it is
> common
> >>knowledge that for true healing to take place - one needs to get to
> the
> >>CORE of the problem. In order to cure Cancer - we need to kill every
> cancer
> >>cell in the body, because if we don't - it will develop all over
> again.  In
> >>healing relationships we try our best to get to the bottom line of
> what is
> >>causing the problem - because if we don't - the same problem will
> erupt
> >>again, just like the cancer.
> >>
> >>Can we all agree that we have a serious problem here?  Can we all
> agree
> >>that we need  healing?
> >>
> >>We need to get to the root of this "pathology".  Why are we wasting
> so much
> >>time and energy on  minutiae? How much longer can this dialogue
> continue
> >>poking around the surface?   It's like trying to heal Cancer with
> >>band-aids.  If we don't understand why this problem is so tough to
> resolve,
> >>- we will never heal.  It will never just "go away".
> >>
> >>I asked this question before - but no one answered me yet. (except
> for a
> >>"diss" from Eric...)
> >>
> >>There are only TWO sexes in this world,  to the best of my
> knowledge.  Is
> >>it OK that one sex has the power to make all the rules that bind
> both
> >>sexes, and that the other sex has no say in that process.  For me it
> is
> >>that simple, and the answer is either yes or no. If this is not the
> core
> >>issue - then what is?
> >>
> >>Adrian, I hope you don't find this posting too "off-topic".  I'm
> actually
> >>trying to hasten a "conclusion"!
> >>
> >>With much respect and anticipation for the full spectrum of opinions
> out
> >>there.
> >>
> >>Shirona
> >>
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