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Re: Chaim David (Saracic)
- From: Hayyim Feldman <hf...>
- Subject: Re: Chaim David (Saracic)
- Date: Tue 05 Oct 1999 23.01 (GMT)
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On Mon, 4 Oct 1999, robert wiener <wiener (at) mindspring(dot)com> wrote:
>Robert Cohen,
>
>Some time back you mentioned Chaim David (Saracic), "some of whose
>niggunim are awesomely beautiful." Have any been recorded? Where can
>we hear them? I have done a search on Tara's website and come up
>empty.
>
>Thanks,
>Bob
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Like many viewers of this movie I could have done with less or no Ry Cooder.
Mostly he looks completely out of place, and heaven knows where the royalties
might be going. My point is that any glimpse into a rich musical and
cultural world can point a musician in a direction he/she might never have
dreamed of before.
The first time I heard Ry Cooder was about fifteen years ago, when a student
played me some Cooder guitar music he wanted to work on. I could hear where
it was coming from and said "That's nice, but have you heard Joseph Spence?"
When I played him Spence the student got even more excited. Of course Spence
never got as popular as Cooder, but if Cooder could pave the way for at least
some appreciation of a great artist he deserves a bit of credit. --Hankus
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> Somehow I guess I have to find a "Jewish" connection to post to this list.
> This is reaching. IF you have a Cuban Cd, You shouldn't play it on
> Shabbos!!!???
There is a larger context to the *mingle, pillage and elevate* case of
folk culture plundering into which category the Cooder/Wender model
falls, and this indeed includes Jewish culture by virtue of the fact
that it has been subject to the same procedure, as Henry points out in
the case of Tickle in the Heart and In the Fiddler's House.
For the sake of argument, lets use the 3 basic classes used to describe
the economies of the world, the first, second and third world (this
model was proposed and developed by the musicologist, Professor Alfons
Michael Dauer): Folk culture would fall into the 3rd world of music. It
is seen by the first world as underdeveloped, primitive and weak, though
its resources have potential. They only need to be taken up by the first
world and put to use for the members of its highest class.
Indeed this has been happening since the Renaissance when it became a
fashion for the schools of counterpoint (Okhegem, De Prez, Orlando,
Machaut, etc, etc) to utilize the French folk song melody, L'homme arme
in all the masses and madrigals and canzones wherever possible. The
quaint idea of *elevating* the primitives' music moves like a snake
through western musical history, i.e. through Bach's use of the folk
song, Kraut und Rueben in his quodlibet of the Goldberg Variations,
Beethoven's trite pseudo peasant song in the 6th Symphony, Liszt and
Brahms' *elevation* of Gypsy music, Bartok's entire corpus of works
taking themes from Hungarian and Romanian folk songs and dances, etc etc
etc. The modern world of classical music (still the first world) turns
its nose up at the recognizable use of folk material nowadays, but the
second world of music, namely the pop world, has taken on the
responsibility of making consummable the folk music of the planet. In
some cases, the old-fashioned first world (i.e Perlman, who can't be
considered avante garde by any standards; and the Kronos Quartet, which
represent the popular side of the modern classical world) still pretends
to interact with their
*source of inspiration*, in Perlman's case, with actual influence on his
own playing.
Whereas earlier the actual physical interaction of the two cultures (did
Liszt ever play with Gypsies ?) seldom took place, our century has
brought with it the brilliant idea of placing them on a testube stage
together and watching the reaction. But the motives have remained.
If you want a direct Jewish connection to all this, please observe what
is happening in Germany now with the klezmer epidemic, uh, I mean fad.
Whereas the musicological concept of
*marginal survival* still exists in the musicological world (this is an
observation that cultures which have been transplanted to foreign soil
often preserve their original traditions more powerfully than they did
on the original turf) modern musicology has yet to deal with the
mechanics of *outsider propogation*, the idea that outsiders of a
tradition may dominate and develop that tradition more omnipresently
than insiders.
This is the case of the Buena Vista phenomenon, and also with Tickle in
the Heart, In the Fiddler's House and the entire
German-Jewish music scene. Outsider Propogation, yup, that's what I call
it. Claro señor Simone?
Josh
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Robert Cohen,
Some time back you mentioned Chaim David (Saracic), "some of whose
niggunim are awesomely beautiful." Have any been recorded? Where can
we hear them? I have done a search on Tara's website and come up
empty.
Thanks,
Bob
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Chevre,
FYI, should anyone else be interested in following up...
Best,
Joel
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>Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 09:43:07 -0400
>To: Joel Bresler <jbresler (at) ma(dot)ultranet(dot)com>
>From: Sylvain <sylvain (at) postoffice(dot)worldnet(dot)att(dot)net>
>Subject: Re: New CDs
>
>The artist is Hazzan Sylvain Elzam (Over 35 Years as Hazzan) The Traditions
>represented are:
>Morocco, Salonika Greece, Turkey and Jerusalem.
>Payment method is via personal Check or money order.
>Ebay and Amazon , the URL's are www.ebay.com
>www.amazon.com
>If you do a search on "sephardic" you will get to the item.
>I hope this answers all.
>If you are still interested, let me know and I'll send you the CD's you
>choose.
>The URL www.geocities.com/vienna/7468/mycd.htm
>list all of the melodies on each CD as well as sample audio you may listen
>to in Realaudio.
>Shalom,
Joel Bresler
250 E. Emerson Rd.
Lexington, MA 02420 USA
Home: 781-862-2432
Home Office: 781-862-4104
FAX: 781-862-0498
Cell: 781-622-0309
Email: jbresler (at) ma(dot)ultranet(dot)com
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Chevre,
This is shaping up as a super interesting concert. Consort of Viols
director Judith Davidoff has done a lot of research tying the viola da
gamba to the Sephardim.
The concert is free (!) and I'd be interested in meeting other Boston-area
contributors to the list IRL at the concert (maybe we can post a picture of
Ari and all gather around him afterwards <G>)
Hats off to Brandeis for sponsoring the event.
Best,
Joel
>Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 09:56:58 -0500
>To: jbresler (at) ma(dot)ultranet(dot)com
>From: Sarah Mead <Mead (at) brandeis(dot)edu>
>Subject: The Road from Valencia
>
>Saturday
>October 9
>8:00 pm
>Schwartz Auditorium
>Brandeis University
>Waltham
>Free
>
>The Road from Valencia
>featuring The New York Consort of Viols and vocal soloists
>
>This program traces the roots of the viola da gamba to early Sephardic
>Jewish musicians, driven from Spain by the Inquisition, who sought refuge
>in Northern Italy and were later invited into the employ of Henry VIII of
>England. With music and narrative ranging from the 15th to the 17th
>century, the program culminates in several recent works based on this
>Sephardic tradition.
>
>Co-sponsored by the Department of Music, the Tauber Institute for the Study
>of European Jewry, the Department of near Eastern and Judaic Studies, and
>the Hillel Foundation, all at Brandeis University.
>
>Sarah Mead
>Artist-in-Residence
>Dept. of Music, Brandeis University
>phone: (781) 736-3331
>fax: (781) 736-3320
Joel Bresler
250 E. Emerson Rd.
Lexington, MA 02420 USA
Home: 781-862-2432
Home Office: 781-862-4104
FAX: 781-862-0498
Cell: 781-622-0309
Email: jbresler (at) ma(dot)ultranet(dot)com
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Sounds like my sort of concert, and I would be happy to serve
as a gathering point, but I'll be out of town that weekend,
celebrating Canadian Thanksgiving in Toronto.
So, people who want to gather at the concert should probably
just e-mail Joel and work out whatever is comfortable as a
meeting place.
And do report back!
ari
At 10:10 AM 10/4/99 -0400, you wrote:
>Chevre,
>
>This is shaping up as a super interesting concert. Consort of Viols
>director Judith Davidoff has done a lot of research tying the viola da
>gamba to the Sephardim.
>
>The concert is free (!) and I'd be interested in meeting other Boston-area
>contributors to the list IRL at the concert (maybe we can post a picture of
>Ari and all gather around him afterwards <G>)
>
>Hats off to Brandeis for sponsoring the event.
>
>Best,
>
>Joel
>
>
>>Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 09:56:58 -0500
>>To: jbresler (at) ma(dot)ultranet(dot)com
>>From: Sarah Mead <Mead (at) brandeis(dot)edu>
>>Subject: The Road from Valencia
>>
>>Saturday
>>October 9
>>8:00 pm
>>Schwartz Auditorium
>>Brandeis University
>>Waltham
>>Free
>>
>>The Road from Valencia
>>featuring The New York Consort of Viols and vocal soloists
>>
>>This program traces the roots of the viola da gamba to early Sephardic
>>Jewish musicians, driven from Spain by the Inquisition, who sought refuge
>>in Northern Italy and were later invited into the employ of Henry VIII of
>>England. With music and narrative ranging from the 15th to the 17th
>>century, the program culminates in several recent works based on this
>>Sephardic tradition.
>>
>>Co-sponsored by the Department of Music, the Tauber Institute for the Study
>>of European Jewry, the Department of near Eastern and Judaic Studies, and
>>the Hillel Foundation, all at Brandeis University.
>>
>>Sarah Mead
>>Artist-in-Residence
>>Dept. of Music, Brandeis University
>>phone: (781) 736-3331
>>fax: (781) 736-3320
>
>
>
>Joel Bresler
>250 E. Emerson Rd.
>Lexington, MA 02420 USA
>
>Home: 781-862-2432
>Home Office: 781-862-4104
>FAX: 781-862-0498
>Cell: 781-622-0309
>Email: jbresler (at) ma(dot)ultranet(dot)com
>
>
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A question for those of you who shop on-line:
Where do you do it? Who has a great selection and prices with lots of sound
bytes?
I welcome testimonials and self-promotional statements.
Lori Lippitz
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I list several vendors on my website. Some do transactions via
e-mail, some have an online catalog and take order via e-mail,
some do transactions online. I'd love to hear feedback from
users, as well. (I can testify on a personal level that I have
never heard anything but praise for any of the vendors listed
on my site, but that isn't the same as a preference ;-).)
http://www.klezmershack.com/contacts/klezvendors.html
ari
At 11:33 AM 10/4/99 -0400, you wrote:
>A question for those of you who shop on-line:
>Where do you do it? Who has a great selection and prices with lots of sound
>bytes?
>I welcome testimonials and self-promotional statements.
>
>Lori Lippitz
>
>
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Please tune in tonight to "Rockin' the Shtetl" at http://wcfm.williams.edu
from 9-10pm Eastern US time, hosted by Seth Rogovoy.
Music will include traditional and contemporary klezmer and related Jewish
music.
Tonight we'll preview the brand-new CD, "WIth Every Breath: The Music of
Shabbat at BJ" from Knitting Factory Records, featuring Anthony Coleman,
Marc Ribot, Erik Friedlander, Brad Shepik, Rabbi Marcelo Bronstein, Rabbi J.
Rolando Matalon, and Hazzan Ari Priven, among others.
thanks,
Seth Rogovoy
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Was anyone able to hear this, because I couldn't
Joel S.
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From: Seth Rogovoy <rogovoy (at) berkshire(dot)net>
To: World music from a Jewish slant <jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org>
Date: Monday, October 04, 1999 11:00 AM
Subject: REMINDER: Internet broadcast tonight 9-10pm Eastern time
>Please tune in tonight to "Rockin' the Shtetl" at http://wcfm.williams.edu
>from 9-10pm Eastern US time, hosted by Seth Rogovoy.
>
>Music will include traditional and contemporary klezmer and related Jewish
>music.
>
>Tonight we'll preview the brand-new CD, "WIth Every Breath: The Music of
>Shabbat at BJ" from Knitting Factory Records, featuring Anthony Coleman,
>Marc Ribot, Erik Friedlander, Brad Shepik, Rabbi Marcelo Bronstein, Rabbi
J.
>Rolando Matalon, and Hazzan Ari Priven, among others.
>
>thanks,
>Seth Rogovoy
>
>
>
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As a former BJ (short for B'nai Jeshurun in Manhattan) member I'm
curious as to the response of listeners.
Bob
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From: Seth Rogovoy <rogovoy (at) berkshire(dot)net>
To: World music from a Jewish slant <jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org>
Date: Monday, October 04, 1999 2:00 PM
Subject: REMINDER: Internet broadcast tonight 9-10pm Eastern time
>Please tune in tonight to "Rockin' the Shtetl" at
http://wcfm.williams.edu
>from 9-10pm Eastern US time, hosted by Seth Rogovoy.
>
>Music will include traditional and contemporary klezmer and related
Jewish
>music.
>
>Tonight we'll preview the brand-new CD, "WIth Every Breath: The Music
of
>Shabbat at BJ" from Knitting Factory Records, featuring Anthony
Coleman,
>Marc Ribot, Erik Friedlander, Brad Shepik, Rabbi Marcelo Bronstein,
Rabbi J.
>Rolando Matalon, and Hazzan Ari Priven, among others.
>
>thanks,
>Seth Rogovoy
>
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