[HANASHIR:3306] Re: Ten Lo Mishelo

[Ilan D Glazer <idg1...>]

The difference in Ki Va Moed and Ki Ba Moed is dependent on which tense of
the verb you are using and which letter of the Hebrew alphabet as well.
When you say Ki Va Moed, you are using the letter Vet (third letter of
Hebrew alphabet,  Aleph, Bet, Vet) and it means that the appointed time
for rejoicing, or the holiday time has come (Moed means holiday,
celebration time etc.).  Thus, Ki Va Moed means the time to rejoice has
come, messiah has come, and all that fun stuff.

Ki Ba Moed is different. It uses a bet (second letter) and it means that
the appointed time WILL come (has yet to come) ie. the appointed time has
not yet arrived ie. the Messiah has not yet come.

Most people on today's planet with the exception of some of Chabad
lubavitch and many but not all Christian sects (and you could argue Islam
as well but that's another argument) would say that the Messiah has NOT
yet come, therefore Ki Ba Moed, the Moed is coming, the time is soon near,
mashicach is coming, etc.

however, whatever text that Shlomo carlebach got the song from (and I
don't know the exact citation) obviously the writer of that text, or the
editor, whoever arranged it obviously felt that the time of the Messiah
and rejoicing HAD come, and therefore everyone should get up and sins and
rejoice.

In case you are wondering, the difference between the two essentially lies
in the dot found in the bet (and missing from the vet).  The dot is called
a mapik and as you can tell frommy explanation, has tremendous importance
to the Hebrew language (usually).

Hope this helps things along.  It's good to see my grammar (dikduk)
learned at the Seminary (JTS) hasn't gone completely to waste.


Kol Tuv (be well),

Ilan Glazer
New York, NY (but Jerusalem as of Thursday and until CAJE-Yippee!)

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