[HANASHIR:1554] Re: Notation methods for Not By Might

[Michelle Katz <MICHKATZ...>]

Not By Might is a very good song to illustrate the inherent limitations in
either of these systems, and also the value of learning some things by ear
vs. by notation.  This is one of those songs that I never could have
learned without listening to it because of the rhythm (and a wonderful
rhythm it is!)

Still, if I had to pick one of the two methods below, I would have to opt for
Judith's, which clearly indicates the dotted quarter notes.  In fact, I am not
sure Kent has notated the song correctly in his own method.  Shouldn't it
be 

G(3)  F(3)  E(2)     D(3)  E(3)    D(2)   |
 
No(3)-ot(3) by(2)   Mi(3)-ight(3) and(2)  |


C(2)  E(1)  D(3)  A(2)    B(1)  D(1)  R(3)  C(1)   C(2)  |

No(2)-o(1)-ot(3)  by(2)  pow(1)-er(1) R(3)  but(1) by(2)  |

etc.

Basically, by Judith's method, one can simply look at the sheet music and
then mark the 1/2/4/8 as if one were actually writing out the notes.

I guess this all proves that there is still no substitution for getting the 
actual
music, both written and recorded!

Shabbat Shalom, everyone.

>>> "Bailey, Kent R., Ph.D."  Kent Bailey <baileyk (at) mayo(dot)edu> 10/23/98
03:37pm >>>




At the risk of self-promotion, try to do Debbie Friedman's "Not by Might"
with "1/2/4/8/9" notation versus parenthesized counts (or at least counts
over the notes)


parenthesized counts:

G(3)  F(2)  E(3)     D(3)  E(2)    D(3)   |
 
No(3)-ot(2) by(3)   Mi(3)-ight(2) and(3)  |


C(2)  E(2)  D(1)  A(2)    B(2)   D(2)  R(2)  C(1)   C(2)  |

No(2)-o(2)-ot(1)  by(2))  pow(2) er(2) R(2)  but(1) by(2)  |


G(3)   A(2)    F(1)   G(2)    R(2)    R(2)    D(2)      |

Spi(3)-rit(2)  a(1)- lone(2)  clap(2) clap(2)  shall(2)  |


D(2)    D(2)   E(1)     F#(2)    G(1)  |  (G)(8)     |  (G)(8) 

We(2)   all2)  live(1)  in(2)   pe(1)- |  (eace)(8)  |  (eace) (8)  ...


I almost wonder if it is even necessary to have measure marks?
Now, try it with 1/2/4/8/9 notation


4.  4 (or 8-8?)   4.    4.   4     4.  |
G   F             E  |  D    E     D   |
No- ot            by | mi-  ight  and  |

I'm afraid this loses something in the translation from beautiful contrasting
notes on a page to numbers that look like Morse code.

Here's the vertical system with counts rather than 1/2/4/8/9  time codes

3   2   3      3    2     3    
G   F   E   |  D    E     D    |
No- ot  by  |  Mi-  ight  and  |

2   2   1   2   1       1   2   2   1    2 
C   E   D   A   B    | (B)  D   R   G-   G-  |
No- o-  ot  by  pow- | ow- er  (R)  but  by  |

(You didn't mention, but would "-" be the way to represent an octave
 lower than the original G?)


I'll gladly drop the parentheses if we can substitute counts for 1/2/4/8/9
Not sure still how to handle measures and notes carried over measures.
Dispense with measures?  In really syncopated music, maybe measures
are more
trouble than they're worth?


Excitedly,


Kent


Rochester, MN
baileyk (at) mayo(dot)edu