[HANASHIR:16343] Re: Copyrighted Prayer Books

[Rabbi Richard Schachet <LVRabbi...>]

As I understand it, the fonts are also copyrighted- therefore you cannot
copy their Hebrew via a scan.  Seems silly to me but that is what was told
me.
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Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 12:12 PM
Subject: [HANASHIR:16342] Copyrighted Prayer Books


> I don't agree with such a strict interpretation.  They certainly have
copyright protection with respect to the layout of the pages, and
photocopying the pages is certainly not right, but, the prayers themselves
in Hebrew are not copyrightable.  It is perhaps a little less clear when
they have made minor changes to the text, but I can't imagine any publisher
trying to enforce copyright to the 'imahot' additions to the amidah, for
example.
>
> And, with regard to translations, there is also 'nothing new under the
sun.'  It would be irresponsible to issue a 'new' translation of the bible
which did not consider and use many of the same words as the major
translations currently in use, most of which are copyrighted works.
>
> Michael
>
>
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: adrian (at) durlester(dot)com
>   To: hanashir (at) shamash(dot)org
>   Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2003 8:02 AM
>   Subject: [HANASHIR:16279] RE: New Chanukah music online
>
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>
>   Robin:
>
>   JPS, the UAHC(URJ) and UCSJ, the CCAR and RA hold copyrights on their
>   respective prayer books--so if there are copies of the prayers from them
>   online, they're illegal! The traditional text from the traditional
siddurim,
>   in a non-specific published edition, or done by an individual, is
probably
>   safe to use.
>
>   (Remember that the Reform and Conservative prayerbooks change some of
the
>   original Hebrew text, so these new editions of the traditional prayers
would
>   be, in effect, copyright protected.)
>
>   Nevertheless....
>
>   Daniel Mack's Service/Song Archive has been on the web and linked from
the
>   Hava Nashira site for years and years.
>
>   http://www.netspace.org/~dmacks/shira/
>
>   He uses RTf files.
>
>   Using MS Word for Hebrew with full nikkudot is often not the best
way--there
>   are many unpredictablities with the spacing of the vowels and letters
from
>   font to font, and depending on your printer driver (you must usually
tell
>   your printer driver to send bit images to the printer and not fonts.)
>   Ultimately, I think text in either PDF or Davkawriter format will prove
more
>   useful than MS Word format.
>
>   Other sites with online text from the Siddur:
>
>   Jordan Wanger's site:
>   http://siddur.webjew.org/
>
>   Here is a traditional Kabbalat Shabbat service available as individual
PDF
>   files
>   http://www.aishdas.org/siddur.shtml
>
>   Owners of Davkawriter can get complete siddurim and machzorim for use
with
>   Davkawriter.
>
>   I believe the UJ and USCJ have plans to eventually make their siddurim
>   available onbline (for fee or subscription or some other controlled
method.)
>
>   There are probably other sources online as well. By revealing them here,
we
>   may eventually be dooming them to oblivion if they contain and
copyrighted
>   materials!
>
>   Adrian
>
>   Adrian A. Durlester, MTS
>   E-mail: adrian (at) durlester(dot)com  www.durlester.com
>   Director of Education & Congregational Life, Bethesda Jewish
Congregation,
>   Bethesda, MD
>   www.bethesdajewish.com
>   Co-Director, Hazamir/JTAI Choir of Greater DC
>   Past Conf Chair, CAJE 27, August 4-8, 2002, Trinity University, San
Antonio,
>   TX
>   List Owner, hanashir (at) shamash(dot)org; Jewish Songleaders/Performers 
> List
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>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: owner-hanashir (at) shamash(dot)org [mailto:owner-hanashir (at) 
> shamash(dot)org] On
>   Behalf Of SELINGER (at) cua(dot)edu
>   Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 7:02 PM
>   To: hanashir (at) shamash(dot)org
>   Subject: [HANASHIR:16277] New Chanukah music online
>
>
>   1. Gordon Lustig has written a new "Chanukah Rap" which you can find
online
>   at:
>
>    http://www.hotshabbat.com/GLustig-chanukahrap-leadsheet2.pdf
>
>   This leadsheet contains sheet music and lyrics. Thanks, Gordon!
>
>   2. One online resource I'd like to find is a collection of traditional
>   prayers written out in Hebrew text (with vowels!) and ready to
cut-and-paste
>   directly into an MSWord songsheet. Does anyone know where such a
resource
>   could be found online?
>
>   3. More web statistics...Totshabbat.com has had visits from 25 countries
>   over the last two weeks. There were nearly 800 distinct visitors.
>   Most popular downloads:
>
>      Mi Y'maleil (doot-doot) performed by Kol B'Seder
>          This Night - Marge Eiseman
>          Around the Candles, 5 brothers, Light candles- all by Marcie
Mirkin
>          Hanerot Halalu- performed by Robin Selinger
>          Shalom Shabbat Shalom and Children's Sh'ma - Carol Boyd Leon
>          Shabbat Blessings- Karen Daniel
>          When You Give a Little Ahavah - Judy Farber
>          Letters on the Dreidel -- Andi Joseph
>          Snack Blessing - Joel Simon
>          Mi Sheh Tov Lo - Rahel
>
>   Please note, this list only includes audio files residing on my own
>   webspace, so it doesn't count all the many, many songs I've linked from
>   artist homepages and online retailers all over the web.
>
>   4. Public health reminders... Flu has hit my synagogue community, and
our
>   annual inter-generational sing-along at the Hebrew Home was cancelled
>   because too many of the elderly residents are ill. Think about
reasonable
>   precautions a songleader can take to protect yourself and your
community.
>
>   Singers are at extra risk of catching colds and flu in this season when
>   we're frequently working a lot and don't get much rest. Wash your hands
>   often, especially before/after working with kids and before meals. Use
>   hot water and lots of soap.
>
>   DON'T pass pieces of challah or other foods hand-to-hand around the room
(as
>   we often do after services at the kiddush...) Use a plate or a tray. If
you
>   want to be extra careful, get some disposable plastic gloves from the
>   synagogue kitchen before handling food, or use tongs instead of fingers.
>
>   Avoid crowding too many people in a small space and make sure there's
>   plenty of ventilation.
>
>   Please don't laugh about this stuff... in college I went on an extended
>   European summer tour with my choir, and because we passed water bottles
>   around and shared food a lot, at some point the entire alto section got
sick
>   at the same time.
>
>   -Robin Selinger
>   robin (at) totshabbat(dot)com
>
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