[HANASHIR:16066] Re: Havdalah Bat Mitzvah

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The whole point of a Bar/Bat Mitzvah is to be called to the Torah in front of 
the community.  You can be called to the Torah when it is read which is 
Saturday morning, Saturday afternoon, Monday and Thursday mornings, and 
holidays (and Friday nights in some Reform Congregations).  So, calling it a 
'Havdallah' Bar/Bat Mitzvah is slang at best, since the Torah is not read at 
Havdallah.

Michael

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  From: elerner1 (at) rochester(dot)rr(dot)com 
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  Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 7:06 AM
  Subject: [HANASHIR:16064] Re: Havdalah Bat Mitzvah






  ----- Original Message -----
  From: ZANEY4JAZ (at) aol(dot)com
  Date: Wednesday, December 3, 2003 10:05 am
  Subject: [HANASHIR:16027] Re: Havdalah Bat Mitzvah

  > Typically in a Havdalah Bar/Bat Mitzvah, you would include Mincha 
  > (during 

  I sing at a occasional Havdalah service at our temple. What is "typical" 
depends somewhat on the min hag of where you are, I think.  At our shul, which 
is reform,   and very small, we do a regular service with ALL the morning 
prayers, plus the addition of the havdalah prayers. I would guess that the 
thinking is that to the bar/bat mitzvah child, it would not be as "complete"   
if one left out all the usual prayers. After all, one of the reasons we often 
chant Torah on Friday night which is not typical either, is that it would be 
the only opportunity for congregants to hear it as we don't typically have Sat. 
morning services.   So although we know what the traditions are, we sometimes 
tweak the rules in order to educate, expose, and make available opportunities 
the congregation would not ordinarily get. 

  Sincerely,

  Ellen Lerner
  soprano soloist
  Congregation Etz Chaim
  outside Rochester, Ny

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