[HANASHIR:16038] Re: Havdalah Bat Mitzvah

[Golda18 <Golda18...>]

Hi,
I have read the other responses and just thought I'd put my two cents in.

Scott mentioned a havdalah bm and everyone assumed that he meant mincha 
because there was a Torah reading.  In the Reform Movement, many congregations 
do 
things that are totally off the board so it is conceivable to have it torah 
reading out of traditional context.  (as a former frummie, I'm getting used to 
envisioning things outside the box.) I've heard of services with mincha 
followed 
by havdalah without maariv. I've also seen havdalah done before sundown (such 
as at our regional kallah last year) and way after sundown,  like at HN when 
we do it at the end of the Saturday night program. Personally, I like it to be 
a true havdel -- separation between day and night, but alot of people 
disagree with me on this.

Just a note on the Torah reading.  Traditionally we have a full Torah reading 
on Shabbat morning.  (Now just in Ortho and some Cons. synagogues.) Then by 
the afternoon service of Shabbat we are already looking forward to the next 
week.  Hence, we read a bit of the next week's Torah reading (usually the first 
aliyah, but not always) on Shabbat afternoon, Monday am, and Thursday am.  In 
Temple days I believe it was a 1/3 of the full reading done at each of those 
service, hence the derivation of the triennial reading.

Because of the line in the V'ahavta (from Devarim) about lying down and 
rising up, there is only a Shma in the morning and evening.  As the Barchu is 
tied 
to the Shma, I suspect that is why there is no Barchu in the afternoon.

Scott, please share with us what you do. 

Gail Nalven