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[HANASHIR:12596] Re: Adding Pro Singers To Choir

From: Freedabet <Freedabet...>
Subject: [HANASHIR:12596] Re: Adding Pro Singers To Choir
Date: Tue 22 Oct 2002 18.41 (GMT)
If you can find competent musicians who are Jewish or, better yet, are 
members of the congregation, that is wonderful.  But, if you can't, it's a 
shame to let that limit your choice of repertoire or affect the quality of 
the music.

Michael


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> Date: Tuesday, 22-Oct-02 05:09 AM
> 
> From: Sue & David Esterman     \ Internet:    (estermans (at) 
> paradise(dot)net(dot)nz)
> To:   Hanashir Mail Server     \ Internet:    (hanashir (at) shamash(dot)org)
> 
> Subject:  [HANASHIR:12587] Re: Adding Pro Singers To Choir
> 
> Sender: owner-hanashir (at) shamash(dot)org
> Reply-to:       hanashir (at) shamash(dot)org
> To:     hanashir (at) shamash(dot)org
> Well, you;re not radical at all, as I see it, Karen.
> In NZ the idea of using non-jewish musicians during services is completely
> off the wall. It just doesn't happen. However, we also have a much more
> low-key musical tradition than many of you do, I know. Still, I agree it's
> wrong to pay non-Jewish professionals to lead services, or to participate.
> After all, surely our own "joyful noise"
> is what's required??
> Sue Esterman
> Wellington, New Zealand
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: owner-hanashir (at) shamash(dot)org [mailto:owner-hanashir (at) 
> shamash(dot)org]On
> Behalf Of Danielkare (at) aol(dot)com
>   Sent: Tuesday, 22 October 2002 8:38 a.m.
>   To: hanashir (at) shamash(dot)org
>   Subject: [HANASHIR:12583] Re: Adding Pro Singers To Choir
> 
> 
>   I apologize if I offend anyone, but I have a strong opinion on the idea of
> bringing in non-member, non-Jewish paid professionals to a religious
> service...if they are singing or playing an instrument in a
> synagogue/temple, they are participating in the prayer service, helping to
> lead prayer, and in fact, praying for the people (like a shaliach tsibur).
> Therefore, they should be part of the congregation or at least share similar
> beliefs as the congregation.  It has always bothered me to know that my
> congregation and other Jewish organizations paid non-Jewish non-members to
> sing (or play an instrument) while the Jewish members volunteered.  Can't
> the song choices adapt to the talent available in the congregational or
> organizational membership?  Does paying outsiders really help, in any way,
> to improve the quality of the prayer service, not to mention, support Jewish
> musicians?  Am I really that radical in my thinking?
> 
>   -Karen Daniel
> 
> 
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> <DIV><SPAN class=939000509-22102002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2>Well,
> you;re not radical at all, as I see it, Karen.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> <DIV><SPAN class=939000509-22102002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2>In NZ
> the idea of using non-jewish musicians during services is completely off 
the 
> wall. It just doesn't happen. However, we also have a much more low-key 
musical
> tradition than many of you do, I know. Still, I agree it's wrong to pay 
> non-Jewish professionals to lead services, or to participate. After all, 
> surely our own "joyful noise"</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> <DIV><SPAN class=939000509-22102002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2>is 
> what's required??</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> <DIV><SPAN class=939000509-22102002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2>Sue 
> Esterman</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> <DIV><SPAN class=939000509-22102002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
> size=2>Wellington, New Zealand</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> <BLOCKQUOTE>
>   <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma 
>   size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> 
owner-hanashir (at) shamash(dot)org
>   [mailto:owner-hanashir (at) shamash(dot)org]<B>On Behalf Of 
>   </B>Danielkare (at) aol(dot)com<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, 22 October 2002 
> 8:38 
>   a.m.<BR><B>To:</B> hanashir (at) shamash(dot)org<BR><B>Subject:</B> 
[HANASHIR:12583] 
>   Re: Adding Pro Singers To Choir<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT 
>   face=arial,helvetica><FONT lang=0 face=Arial size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF">I 
>   apologize if I offend anyone, but I have a strong opinion on the idea of 
>   bringing in non-member, non-Jewish paid professionals to a religious 
>   service...if they are singing or playing an instrument in a 
synagogue/temple,
>   they are participating in the prayer service, helping to lead prayer, and 
in
>   fact, praying for the people (like a shaliach tsibur).  Therefore, they
>   should be part of the congregation or at least share similar beliefs as 
the 
>   congregation.  It has always bothered me to know that my congregation
> and 
>   other Jewish organizations paid non-Jewish non-members to sing (or play 
an 
>   instrument) while the Jewish members volunteered.  Can't the song
> choices 
>   adapt to the talent available in the congregational or organizational 
>   membership?  Does paying outsiders really help, in any way, to improve 
>   the quality of the prayer service, not to mention, support Jewish 
>   musicians?  Am I really that radical in my thinking?<BR><BR>-Karen 
>   Daniel<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></FONT></BODY></HTML>
> 
> 

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