[HANASHIR:12481] Re: Regarding Kathy's 7th chord theory

[Gohr454 <Gohr454...>]

You're right Gordon, one does assume that the 7th is flatted when writing a 
B7 or Ami7. I was refering the the particular voicing that Eric was 
questioning, the B7 with the "extra high note added,"not all 7th's in 
general. This voicing is used primarily in jazz circles, or when one is doing 
solo guitar work. Hope I didn't confuse anyone, I was mearly trying to 
analyze the chord Eric had in question.

Kathy


I understand that you're speaking "theoretically" but I'd like to point out 
it is not necessary to write "B7 b7" when referring to a B7 chord.
B7 automatically implies the 7th is flatted. If the 7th is NOT flatted, it's 
a major 7th and is written "Bmaj7." 

Same goes for minor chords. Ami7 implies a flatted 7th, other wise it's 
Ami(maj7).

Hope this doesn't add to the confusion.

gordon
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> From: Gohr454 (at) aol(dot)com
> Reply-To: hanashir (at) shamash(dot)org
> Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 19:52:00 EDT
> To: hanashir (at) shamash(dot)org
> Subject: [HANASHIR:12446] Re: Neil's Adon Olam request...
> 
> 
> Eric
> ;
> 
> Theoretically speaking the chord you're referring to is a B7 with a flat 
> 7th on top. Play the chord omitting the 6th string, that puts the root on 
> the bottom and makes it easier to play, X24245. Besides that, the note that 
> is played by the 6th string on the second fret(F#) is duplicated by the 4th 
> string on th 4th fret only an octive higher. It's interesting to note that 
> this is a movable voicing, you can play it anywhere on the neck. On the 
> third fret it would be a C7 b7, 5th fret a D7 b7 and so on. 
> and that's our guitar lesson for today...,
> Kathy Gohr, 
> Grand Rapids, MI
> 
> 
> In a message dated 10/10/2002 10:46:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
> ekomar (at) nyc(dot)rr(dot)com writes:
> 
> >> 
>> Hi Angela, Neil, and Chevrei,
>> 
>> 5. The B7 chord is slightly different in the last verse than it is in the
>> >rest of the song.  I put an asterisk there to note that it's different.
>> >While I am good at matching notes and chord combinations by ear, I do not
>> >know the names of many of the more obscure chords, but I can hear that it
>> >is
>> >played with an extra high note added (diminished 3rd?  I dunno... would a
>> >music theorist please chime in here?); here's the combination (from low E
>> >to
>> >high e):  224245  (may be less awkward if you just play the top 4 notes 
>> --
>> >4245)
>> >
>> 
>> The chord as you described it is still a B7 - the extra high note is just
>> the 7th of the chord. This is true whether you play it as a 4-string or
>> 6-string chord (actually, it's best played as a 5-string, rather than
>> 6-string).
>> 
>> As a neat substitution for the B7, try the following 4-string chord (from
>> the HIGH E down): 5454. It has the shape of a diminished chord, but it 
>> would
>> probably be best labelled a B7b9 (the "C" being played on the 3rd string 
>> is
>> the b9).
>> 
>> Hope this helps!
>> 
>> - Eric
>> 
>> P.S. to Angela - To second Judy's sentiment, yes, Hong Kong is lucky to 
>> have
>> you!
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> Eric Komar
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>> 
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