[HANASHIR:4816] Re: HANASHIR digest 763

[Ellen Allard <ellen...>]

Thanks for asking. Actually, we had to change the date. Laura Berkson will
be performing in our our home this Saturday evening, Jan. 8. We live in
Worcester, MA and if anyone wants to come, please email me privately and let
me know.

Ellen Allard

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>From: "Rabbi Richard Schachet" <lvrabbi (at) lvcm(dot)com>
>To: <hanashir (at) shamash(dot)org>
>Subject: [HANASHIR:4813] Re: HANASHIR digest 763
>Date: Thu, Jan 6, 2000, 5:10 PM
>

> Hi-
>
> how did the home concert go?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ellen Allard <ellen (at) peterandellen(dot)com>
> To: hanashir (at) shamash(dot)org <hanashir (at) shamash(dot)org>
> Date: 06/mm/2000 11:42 AM
> Subject: [HANASHIR:4803] Re: HANASHIR digest 763
>
>
>>Yo Adrian! (Isn't that a line from the movie Rocky?) I couldn't have said
> it
>>better.
>>
>>Ellen Allard
>>Worcester, MA
>>
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>>>From: "Adrian Durlester" <durleste (at) home(dot)com>
>>>To: <hanashir (at) shamash(dot)org>
>>>Subject: [HANASHIR:4801] Re: HANASHIR digest 763
>>>Date: Thu, Jan 6, 2000, 2:03 PM
>>>
>>
>>> Although I have the greatest respect for those who have received their
>>> ordination from HUC, I cannot left unsaid my feelings on this issue.
>>>
>>> Somewhere along the way, liberal Judaism mistakenly adopted the model of
>>> modern-day academia as its standard for training rabbis, cantors and
>>> educators. While we all want well-educated leaders in these positions,
> the
>>> insistence upon only one accredited institution (four "branches" still
> count
>>> as one institution for Reform) and upon adherence to an American academic
>>> model of training and certification that tends to make people jump
> through
>>> all the same hoops leads to exclusivity, and is a detriment to Judaism.
> For
>>> all the hundreds of students who have gone on to become rabbis, cantors,
> etc
>>> at HUC, there are hundreds more who did not get the opportunity.
>>>
>>> I am a student at Vanderbilt Divinity School. My Xtian friends have
>>> opportunities that we Jews do not. The possibility of ordination is open
> to
>>> anyone who chooses to pursue it. They may not get it, but they are
> certainly
>>> free to try. They have (in many cases) a plethora of institutions at
> which
>>> they may study. Most of them are fully accredited programs.
>>>
>>> My orthodox friends have similar opportunities for study. In fact, one
> can
>>> even get s'micha through independent study and the approval of a trio of
>>> rabbis. It still happens these days. Why must the liberal Jewish
> movements
>>> persist in resisting this time-tested model? Perhaps this is one reason
>>> Xtianity flourishes while Judaism struggles along.
>>>
>>> I have heard, over and over, the argument that students should not attend
>>> and get the s'micha from AJR or RRC because they won't find work at UAHC
>>> congregations. This is a shanda, and the UAHC, the CCAR, ACC et al and
> UAHC
>>> member congregations should be ashamed. Would a Reform congregation turn
>>> down a rabbi who was ordained at JTS or Yeshiva University, if that rabbi
>>> happened to fit well with the congregation? Why should those who attend
> AJR,
>>> or RRC not be given equal consideration? Isn't the way that HUC, CCAR and
>>> the ACC look down upon other institutions just like the way the Orthodox
> in
>>> Israel look down upon the liberal movements?!!!
>>>
>>> Are faculty at HUC, JTS, UJ, YU the only qualified scholars in the world
> to
>>> train potential rabbonim and cantors? When will the liberal movements
> drop
>>> this bizarre adoption of tightly controlled academic ordaining
> institutions
>>> in favor of a more flexible, open and truly Jewish system?
>>>
>>> Adrian
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> Adrian A. Durlester  -  durleste (at) home(dot)com
>>> http://members.home.net/durleste/
>>> Student, Vanderbilt University Divinity School
>>> http://divinity.lib.vanderbilt.edu/vds/vds-home.htm
>>> Music Director, Congregation Micah, Nashville, TN
> http://www.micahnash.org/
>>> Home phone (615) 646-9788 Nextel cel-phone (615) 207-2661
>>> You can page me from http://www.nextel.com
>>> List-Owner for hanashir (at) shamash(dot)org; Co-Owner for L-Torah (at) 
>>> shamash(dot)org
>>> http://uahc.org/hanashir
>>> Editor, Bim Bam (for Torah Aura Productions) http://www.torahaura.com/
>>> Alternate Email: aad (at) iname(dot)com  adriand (at) aol(dot)com
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-hanashir (at) shamash(dot)org [mailto:owner-hanashir (at) 
>>> shamash(dot)org]On
>>> Behalf Of Judith Rowland
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2000 11:30 AM
>>> To: hanashir (at) shamash(dot)org
>>> Subject: [HANASHIR:4793] Re: HANASHIR digest 763
>>>
>>>
>>> To all those thinking about cantorial programs, you should understand
>>> that graduates of these programs are not recognized by the ACC as
>>> cantors. The best place to study for the cantorate is at HUC. The only
>>> acceptable alternative is the ACC/HUC Certification program. If you want
>>> more information on that program you should contact the ACC.
>>> Cantor Judith K. Rowland
>>> Baltimore Hebrew Congregation
>>>
>>>
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