[HANASHIR:4747] Re: music history request

[Judah Cohen <jcohen...>]

Rebecca,

    Andy seems right on to me.  I am far from an authority on this (many of
the people on this list have *much* more personal experience than I do), but
a quick perusal of "The Songs We Sing" (Harry Coopersmith's "Conservative"
collection of songs from 1950) reveals no "Oseh Shalom."  This leads me to
guess it came in in the 1960s, partly (perhaps) as a result of the Israeli
Hassidic Song Festival--one of Carlebach's major dissemination venues and
also a place where many popular "lines" of liturgy gained their initial
popularity.  I'd be interested to know how accurate this is.

Be well.
Judah.

Music Department, Harvard University
(but Yale College, TC 1995)

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>From: Andy Curry <acurry (at) CellNet(dot)com>
>To: hanashir (at) shamash(dot)org
>Subject: [HANASHIR:4746] Re: music history request
>Date: Sun, Jan 2, 2000, 11:23 PM
>

> Dear Rebecca,
>
> The only "traditional" melodies for Ose Shalom would come either from the
> Reform tradition OR from different nuschey (?) for the Kaddish, because the
> line is never recited aloud in the orthodox liturgy except as the last line
> of the Kaddish.
>
> I don't believe that the line was present in the Hebrew in the old Union
> Prayerbook, except in the Kaddish.  I don't remember ever hearing it sung
> at Reform services when I was growing up in the sixties (last century!)
> The only time I ever heard it sung was at camp, in the Birkat Hamazon.
>
> Perhaps Shlomo Carlebach's version might be older than the Hirsh.
>
> But - there are so many very good versions around now!
>
> Andy

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